Skill Discussions

Here is a character that I made last year during a power of two, with the intent to fly assault frigates. I naturally branched off for destroyers and battlecruisers when the changes were announced.

The character is close to a year old now but I think the result speak for itself.

I'm too lazy to read through this crapnaught, so are we for or against SP is broken at this point?

Since i can't know for certain, all i have left is to assume :).

I think where i erred was in forgetting that eveboard oversimplifies SP/h and the free SP messed that up badly. Sorry.



Doesn't make too much sense, but this isn't the place to discuss that. :)

True, but if the short term goal was large weapons, med V was a lot of overkill too, before the need arises as a stepstone via med spec towards large spec. There's really only one convincing reason to skill med V, which is med spec.

Again, not the place, though :)

You have to admit, it's not really specializing, it is limiting yourself to only doing one thing to the exclusion of everything else.

Even IF you decided to skill perfectly into your 'specialty', you can be sure that there's a legion of players out there who also skilled your 'specialty' to the same level, simply as a subset of their skills.

The reward in TRUE specialization lies in the knowledge that concentration on one thing results in excellence over generalists and specialists in other domains.Which is far from true in EVE, where the veteran generalist's only 'accomplishment' is having stumbled over EVE a few years prior.

I really don't see the way it is as a problem, everyone starts somewhere and they grow from it.

It emulates real life to an extent, you build experience at absolutely everything you do in life and you generally get better at it or can do more complex things later. Sure there's a plateau where after that things either stall out or start going downhill, but that's imposed upon us do to our mortality (failing bodies and minds). An example would be a newborn baby, they start off with three skills: eat, sleep and ****, and they only have them trained to lvl 1. As they live each day they grow and get better at stuff and inject more skills ie. teething, and starting to eat solid foods, sleeping through the night, and learning to wipe their own asses. New skills come along the way like putting the cube shaped block in the square opening, speech, etc.

Eventually they cook for themselves, are doing their own laundry, driving cars, getting jobs, etc.


If you want everything just handed do you in game, why not in life too? Isn't that a bit much for a sense of self-entitlement?

Personally, its ok to work for what you get in life and game, and in-game skills aren't the be all end all of the game.
I remember when I was new, I was in awe of a guy teaching me some stuff because he had ships worth a billion or so isk, and here I was with maybe 4 million isk, told mining was the best way at a low sp levels to make isk. Then I warp jammed a charon and was paid 800 mil because I was flying point in my condor for an imaginary fleet of cloaked stealth bombers and t3's. Not bad for my 4th day playing Eve.

So maybe if you and they are having problems with having low sp, try a different approach. Your approach of buying a new character might work but is it enough? What happens when you want to fly a ship that your new account can't handle, do you buy a new character, or actually train for it?

It was an example to show correlation between the similarities of the game itself and life drawing to an old saying I remember:
"Wish in one hand, and defecate in the other; and see which one feels up first." which relates to having to work for what you want as opposed to sitting there hoping someone else will do the work for you.

I don't entirely understand the complaint of the OP. As a brand new player myself, the only negative to me lies in the sheer overwhelming number of options and skills available. It's practically dizzying. After a little research, though, things become clearer and I was able to start on the path(s) I wanted to try.

As far as I can tell, it will only take me a couple of months to get into everything I want to get into to be at least somewhat effective at what I'm currently doing. I have a couple of long term goals that will take a long time to get into, but the whole "2 years just to do anything fun" doesn't ring true for me at all, and I'm one of those new players the OP was supposedly speaking for.

But this thread is over 30 pages long. I don't have time to read all of it. If the topic has shifted and made this post entirely useless to the thread, forgive me.

One of the things that worried me when I started playing eve was I saw a thread just like this one. The OP indicated that the skillpoint system was off putting to new players, etc etc etc.

That was the day after Christmas 2005. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

^^ Exactly. For me, the biggest draw of this game WAS the fact that you didn't get maxed out within a week. That most of the endgame didn't lay in an endless grind for loot and gear that would only become obsolete with the next expansion. I've only tried a couple of themepark MMOs (one of which was WoW, naturally), and they just got so boring very quickly for me. This wasn't even the primary reason for it, but it certainly didn't help.

Eve Online is about the journey, not the destination. Enjoy the present - you're not going to skill any faster if you're just focused on things you can't do for months or years, depending on what all you're going after. And enjoy the fact that, even years on, you're still going to be able to try out new things.