Skill Discussions

Stopped reading there.

Absolute garbage. I make billions per month on one character that has 5m sp.

I know you're new, but I can't let this kind of bull go unchallenged.

can we please let this terrible thread rest in peace?

Apparently not.

Game as it is works perfectly, keeps the kiddies out. Most people responding here are NOT 10 year old vets. We all started years after the first generation and we all had to go through the newb phase training skills and actually learning to play the game and game mechanics. You are meant to grow from ship to ship, start a small corp that through superior management can grow into the leading corp within a huge alliance. Take that away and you destroy EVE.

You could send a petition but don't expect any response or change since the game is working as intended. Your changes would only ruin the game with 1 month olds flying Titans and without any further goals quitting shortly after.

BTW, buying that toon is your biggest mistake. It will get you excluded from certain alliances, it will never be you, you don't have the skill to fly it, its killboard ain't yours and it will forever be known as some1 elses toon.

Eve has gotten a lot more accessible over the years, most of all by removing learning skills and by adding remaps. You are one month old, you know nothing and yet you are complaining and telling people who have been around for years what should be changed and done. My guess is you are very young with little experience of how the real world works. If you want to play adult games then learn to act like one in the first place.

By weeding out the bad seeds EVE has managed to grow and develop as a game for over 10 years now. Compare this to the fast rise and even faster fall of your standard MMO and you will see it is exactly the way toons grow over time that supports this model.

Don't ever compare EVE to WOW, if you want WOW go play it. But know that WOW is way simpler then its game ancestors and has since launch been simpler and simpler to the point a dog can play it and it no longer challenges anyone. Do not wish/force the same fate upon one of the last MMOS actually worth playing and slightly challenging.
Aren't you tired of playing these simpleminded games like made by big developers that are pale shadows from what their predecessors were. Just look at what Blizzard has done to Diablo 3, simply ruined one of the best games ever, the mother of all action MORPHs. Look at the last SIMCITY installment, so ****** I threw it out and went back to SC4 after 3 days. At the same time all legendary strategy titles that actually were fun and challenging are disappearing because of bad promotion and not being compatible with the current game console market. The new generation doesn't even know these titles anymore. This trend is destroying the industry. Could go on ranting for a decade...

Guess you get the message, hands off youngling, play some other games and come back to EVE when you are ready..

If you stick to EVE welcome and you wont regret it, if not, was nice meeting you,

Radius

Edit: Sorry for dragging this terrible thread. Had no idea it was this long already.

Gotta say, I didn't read every post but as a pretty new player I thought I'd chip in. I actually agree with the OP but it's not as bad as you think it is....

The game has no mechanic for newer players to catch up to older players. That's just a fact. CCPs latest attempt to address this ('specialization' in the ship skills) involved them injecting 6 million new skill points into the game. Personally I think they couldn't see the wood for the trees when they came up with that plan. I think they need some radical alteration, like if you're using a skill then you accumulate SP faster in that skill (which actually gives you an incentive to play the game and feel that you're making 'progress').

However I think it's not as bad as the OP thinks it is since if you focus your skill training on what you want to do then you can do it pretty quickly (the trick is to do what you want to do and not think 'oh I'll do this when I have these skills'). Mining, missioning, pvp? All doable quite quickly, you just need to know where to seek your content. After a couple of months my killboard was 140:25, so PvP is possible with very few SP. The issue (for me) is that I can't go to low sec and PvP since I'm just totally and utterly outclassed there (ships, SPs etc). I think it's a shame for older players that they don't get the injection of newer players into low sec, it's why it's so dead (a symptom of the SP issue in my opinion).

Not really. For any given ship and fitting, there are a finite number of skills that help improve a character's performance. Once someone reaches level 5 in all those skills, he can no longer improve through the skill system, therefore anyone still training that role is in fact "catching up". At a more incremental level, say you have two characters, one of whom has all the relevant skills at level 4, the other at level 3. If both players are pouring all their SP into the same role, the level 3 character is going to see incremental improvements in his performance much faster than the level 4 character, thus closing the gap.


See this thread for discussion on that topic.

I was thinking of making a bunch of trolls, comments, necro posts, etc. Just to bump this back a couple pages.

Yet, you call people who respond to you "idiots". It seems to me that you're only looking for those who agree with you.

The fact is, you can have fun in this game at any skill level. That is the bottom line. If you're too impatient to achieve the skills needed to reach more advanced game play, than that is a your deficiency, not the game's. The game allows you to "level up" when you're not even playing, and part of the fun of Eve is achieving the goal of flying that next ship. I can fly every non-titan ship in Eve, use every t2 weapon and so on. Yet, I found the game more engaging when I was skilling for that next ship I wanted to fly.

If you and your friends had stuck together and formed a competent fleet you could have killed any single pilot with 10x your combined SP. Eve rewards gangs of well organized fleets over any amount of SP. You and your friends failed to leverage your true strength. Numbers and camaraderie.

I have trained and mentored dozens of new pilots. You can be in a competently fitted battlecruiser in 2-3 months, so I find most of your "facts" to be incorrect. Most core Eve vets like that impatient ignorant gamers leave Eve early.

The SP system isn't broken. Your play-style is.

To be fair, in a lot of other MMOs, and especially the recent ones, you can have one toon pretty dang well close to "the best stuff" in a month, assuming you can grind away 23x7 on it. In two or three months you can definitely have one toon fully geared in the typical modern theme park like SWTOR.

The trend now is for games to make maxing out one character take a relatively short but fixed amount of calendar time. So progression is throttled with dailies and weekly token caps and raid locks, to ensure that nobody can blow through the grind in one week instead of eight or twelve. The hardcore grinders then have to turn to grinding many alts at once in order to keep going, but the grind is structured so that no one alt can be "done" in less than a certain minimum number of subscription periods.

Even so, the minimum time from zero to EPIC is an order of magnitude shorter for modern games compared with the old school grinders. The "typical" time to level cap in SWTOR for an ordinary casual player is around 200 hours /played. And people were hitting the original level cap, pre-ROTHC, within 55 hours /played during the double XP weekends. That's less than one ordinary full-time work week for most North American adults. In older MMOs, the /played time to level cap could easily top 2,000 hours, especially for a poor and always struggling first toon. Even if it takes you another 100-200 hours of /played to do the gear grind in SWTOR, you're still far, far short of the typical year-long death march that older games required to max out.

It's true that you can do a lot without being anywhere near "maxed out" in EvE. Then again, you're competing with people who are maxed out, and in EvE everything is PvP, so assuming equal levels of player skill, you are going to lose out more often with low SP than you will with high SP. And maxing out does take a long, long time in EvE, no matter how you cut it. It didn't seem long ten years ago, but most games from ten years ago have long gone away, or putter along today on legacy servers with a couple thousand grouchy old bittervets who won't log off until they turn the lights out.

EvE suffers a bit in comparison today because it is still going strong and actually does attract a lot of new players, and the basis for comparison among those players has shifted a long way in a decade.

On the other hand the fact that it takes a long time to max out is offset by the fact that you don't have to "do" anything to get there, other than log in once every couple days (once every couple months, eventually). In that sense EvE is a great game to play when you're not actually playing it, because you can do something else entirely (like play a whole other game), and you wind up with just as much new SP at the end of a year as the person who was logged in 23x7. While it's not a great game for those who need instant gratification, it's an excellent game for people who like to be rewarded for doing almost nothing.

HTFU?