EVE General Discussion

Those who said frigs are only good for tackling in a fleet (don't actually recall anyone using those exact words though) have never been involved with faction warfare. Out here, we have to ship down to T1 frigs more often than anything else. It's all that can fit in novice plexes, and when someone sees a Thrasher rolling around system, where do you think they run to? I'm almost a year old, and I spend more time in a Breacher now than anything else. Best part? It's a lot more fun than lumbering around in a slow ass battleship. :)

So why was this thread started?


Don't like pvp? Pay someone else to.

I've found in this forum that it is so very "As it is Stable" that these types of posts are just a lost battle.

I totally agree with you though and think there needs to be a PVP intro Arena, but that got shot down by the same group that will kill yours.... "They say" and I don't even need to read the posts.... the same thing over and over. -- because they are already seasoned and think of new players as food...

1) Join RVB
2) Start small with T1 frigate
3) Find another game to play
4) Get balls and get out and die...
5) Start your own group and do it your way.....blah ... blah..... blah.

Same old , same old...

You've just learned that there is an established group that trolls in the forums to keep things as they are.... sort of like a Troll Mafia.


But, if you leave, can I have your stuff... (stole that one from a Mafia troll).

Whoooa...slow down there Speedy Gonzales you may short out his last braincell.

Hang on, if you want a risk free learning environment you should try the test server.

yeah I've never done it, I just make wild accusations to upset people on a general message board to point out how lame arguing on the internet is.

And the small T1 fits are popular in ALL PvP in EvE...because it's cheap. It doesn't matter if it's FW.

Bottomline is: you don't play with expensive ships to have a daily pewpewpew. It costs too much.

The problem there is those cheap T1 frigates are also the only ships newbies can fly, and they get hit like in WoW by a level 90 ganking a level 10 in the process, over and over and over.

Don't know about you guys, but isn't the reason why players skill up IS to fly the bigger and better ships? Running around novice plexes in T1 frigates, is like in WoW level 90s putting on level 10 gear and fighting. They'll still win due to level bonuses, just like in EvE with skill bonuses.

THIS....

Then by all means buy a pvp focused character with perfect t1 frigate skills and see how well you'll do. It won't cost much since to get those skills you'll need 5-6 months training (tops). And for nearly perfect skills you'll need only a couple months. So go ahead try it. You can then come back complaining about how unfair is that "wasting" time training skills doesn't give you enough advantage over new pilots.

That's no different in WoW. A healer isn't going to fare well attacking a DPS player. A healer if they're going to attack in PvP is going to find someone they can have a chance to kill (like a pesky rogue who thinks he has a great target but made the mistake of not locking the healer down).

So even in WoW you have to pick your targets carefully...even at max level.

In EvE, a low SP player has more options, but he can equally be countered well if the other player knows his stuff (just like in WoW). That's the main premise here.

A low SP player isn't going to have the skills for say ECM drones or countermeasures, that's specialized gameplay. He has skills that are quick to level and get on the battlefield, the same skills that a competent higher SP player can defeat even in the same level of ships.

And how is that possible...experience. The newbie will take a month or longer to learn what to do do against what ship. The vet already knows all that.

Also the lower SP player isn't going to pick X ship (like the Condor) because it can counter Z ship, because he isn't experienced enough to know (and if you've been in enough corps, you'll know they don't offer such tips regularly to find out -- last one I was in I was doing builds for players. How? All my time in WoW, because if you compete in raids or PvP you must know your class, gear and tactics...doesn't change because I play EvE. You check the recommended builds on Battleclinic, and deduct why X is used for Y and read the comments of why to avoid or do Z, and you get an idea how XYZ will work against ABC [games are very much similar]. Then test it in PvE to measure how much you need to survive and/or maintain a good level of DPS).

In EvE, like in WoW, has roles and ships are designed for those roles. I like the Drake as it fits my play style of an agile tank and will specialize in it (or similar ships that is tanky, and by extension other tank like T2 ships, HIC and Logistics). CCP offers pure DPS boats and even rogue like ships. But it takes some time to figure what ship fits the player, as that ship defines their role and how they will fight.

And all takes experience.