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PvP is totally uncompetitive and unfair

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-28 22:40:00 UTC
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-06-28 22:42:14 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


Get into a T1 frigate with T1 fittings and join RvB (make sure you keep plenty of spares).
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2013-06-28 22:42:43 UTC
Somebody losed a duel.....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-28 22:44:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Victoria Sin wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


Get into a T1 frigate with T1 fittings and join RvB (make sure you keep plenty of spares).


why should I bother wasting my time on pvp when I can just go back to mining where I can actually make money and feeling like I'm doing something. In PvP I feel like nothing.

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Somebody losed a duel.....


No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun
Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-06-28 22:44:27 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:


...crying...

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


Yes there is; learn the game and STOP SHOUTING
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-06-28 22:46:07 UTC
Here's an idea: check player histories before agreeing to duel. If someone is more than twice your age (assuming you are less than 6 months old), they will likely have a significant advantage over you, especially if they are trained in a specialized manner.

PvP in Eve is just as much about preparation and picking your battles as it is about the pew itself.
Kijo Rikki
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-06-28 22:47:24 UTC
This is a team game, get some friends and suddenly your noobness becomes useful in certain roles. It doesnt take long to train up a frigate and a point and then profit.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

rey Aumer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-06-28 22:48:18 UTC
Join FW. Plex to earn iskies until you have better skills.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-06-28 22:48:31 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Here's an idea: check player histories before agreeing to duel. If someone is more than twice your age (assuming you are less than 6 months old), they will likely have a significant advantage over you, especially if they are trained in a specialized manner.

PvP in Eve is just as much about preparation and picking your battles as it is about the pew itself.


yeah you've pretty much proved my point about pvp in this game. It only really matters about how old your character is. If your character is old is most likely able to use tech 2 weapons and then its game over
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-28 22:50:10 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun


You're doing it wrong™. Faction warfare systems? What kind of player do you expect to meet there, and what kind of ship, fitting and skill levels do you think they're going to be packing?
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#11 - 2013-06-28 22:52:08 UTC
Ive played over 3 years, and have never got a kill, but been killed plenty of times, I joined a corp, and soon contributed to about 9 kills,

moral of the story, Eve is about team work, if you wanna solo pvp get a corp to teach you, so you still need a corp.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-28 22:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallowmere Rorschach
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Here's an idea: check player histories before agreeing to duel. If someone is more than twice your age (assuming you are less than 6 months old), they will likely have a significant advantage over you, especially if they are trained in a specialized manner.

PvP in Eve is just as much about preparation and picking your battles as it is about the pew itself.


yeah you've pretty much proved my point about pvp in this game. It only really matters about how old your character is. If your character is old is most likely able to use tech 2 weapons and then its game over

Not really. I have killed many a T2 fitted frigate using a Merlin with T1 guns. It's all about knowing which ships you can take down, and what you need to be able to do in order to make this happen.

Also, the current FotM involves light missile kiting frigates, and most of those that I have killed were using meta launchers, just because T2 launchers can be a pain to fit on small ships. Basically, if someone doesn't catch you before you get out of web/scram range, they're screwed, assuming they aren't faster than you.

EDIT: I just checked your most recent loss Feel free to send me a mail if you want an idea of what you're doing wrong. I won't call you out here, but your fit is responsible for your demise, also what you tried to take on. That ship is a severe pain in the ass, extremely hard to counter.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-06-28 22:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Victoria Sin wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun


You're doing it wrong™. Faction warfare systems? What kind of player do you expect to meet there, and what kind of ship, fitting and skill levels do you think they're going to be packing?


faction warfare is market as the way to get into PvP so I expect people with tech 1 stuff like mee yet the people I see in these systems are all veterens of atleast a year.

There is no one in this game it seems who are actually flying basic ships.

oh yess heres my eve kill page so you can see how bad I do:
http://eve-kill.net/a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1675337&view=losses&m=6&y=2013

of course this does not include tonights attempts.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-06-28 22:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun


You're doing it wrong™. Faction warfare systems? What kind of player do you expect to meet there, and what kind of ship, fitting and skill levels do you think they're going to be packing?


faction warfare is market as the way to get into PvP so I expect people with tech 1 stuff like mee yet the people I see in these systems are all veterens of atleast a year.

There is no one in this game it seems who are actually flying basic ships.




It may have changed but I seem to remember when FW was first introduced that it was not aimed at new players.
Caldari Citizen 20120308
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-06-28 22:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Caldari Citizen 20120308
Yes there are unfair advantages for older players flying frigates versus a new player with their frigate. But the training time isn't too bad. Within 1 month you should have, if you've narrowed your skill training to frigates and the mods associated with it, your skill books should be around lvl 4-5.

No mmo that I know of has there been a new player going around pawning older characters.Blink
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#16 - 2013-06-28 23:03:43 UTC
In my first month of playing EVE, I joined a high sec corp for training newbies. I killed a Vagabond, a Dominix and Navy Dominix amounting to a total of 700m isk in ships killed. I was so chuffed because I thought that was so much money (I was still flying T1 destroyers at the time) . I killed all those ships in high sec because the corp I joined was wardecced and that corp taught me a very important lesson in psychological warfare (Double Tap).

I can't remember what this thread was about.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#17 - 2013-06-28 23:04:09 UTC
Don't fly 1v1 against better prepared opponents.

Grab some friends and be the better prepared opponent.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#18 - 2013-06-28 23:05:51 UTC
So you fly a tiny ship into a warzone without working with others are you're surprised you died? Sounds like it's working the right way.

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GreenSeed
#19 - 2013-06-28 23:06:38 UTC
pvp is fine for newbs, just stop being stupid and fit ewar instead of point.

also i noticed you said "money sink" i guess you are one of those new players who think plex is some form of pay to win... it isn't.
you would still lose ships to 8month old players who cared to learn how to play even if you were using a 100m SP character costing upwards of 3 thousand dollars.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-06-28 23:09:36 UTC
i have no T2 weapons or ships trained.
i am 2013 player
http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1600685
admitedly none of this is solo 1v1 pvp but EvE is a MMO. You are supposed to play with friends.
Also i suck at all aspects of PVP. i am trying to learn how to fit, i am trying to learn different ships capabilites and how to counter them, i am trying to learn manual piloting. Making friends with people that are good at these things and learning from what they say and from watching what they do is awesome.
Last night i even timed some tackling runs well enough that i tackled something instead of my normal too soon they blapped me or too late they are gone.
I think my point is this. Enjoying PVP as a low SP char is down to you not the game design. Winning at PvP is at least as much about player skills as it is about SP. If you are determined to play solo then u will lose a lot of ships before you start killing stuff
http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.co.uk/ this blog will show you the mindset and learning curve needed. It is one of many such blogs read it from the beginning.
TL/DR . when you lose fights you can either learn and adapt or rush whining to the forums.

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