Player Features and Ideas Discussion

EvE is one of the oldest-surviving computer games, even older than WoW (albeit by a few months). Why change a winning strategy with something that has been shown time and again to have a high rate of failure?

Excellent answer sir and I think a very very viable point.

From this simple and mature reply it is now obvious to me that this cant work - many thanks Olterin.



...btw to all those who insulted me, trolled me and generally put out your personal hang ups for all the interwebz to see, why did you bother?

Olterin Fire answered the post perfectly in a mature and intelligent manner, was it so hard for the rest of you?.

..anywho it gave me 4 pages of posts which I imagine would make anyone with half a brain feel infinitely superior so thanks for that ;)

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Ah, so people complaining about the price of items in the virtual item store doesn't mean they wanted things in the virtual item store at a cheaper price, at about, say, the level of a micro transaction?

You're applying the "no true Scotsman" argument here. Pricing was the issue, rather than the presence of the item store. Certainly there were people like me who didn't want the item store in the format that it was executed, but we were by far the minority: for most people the issue wasn't so much the presence of the boots magicked into the economy without player involvement, so much as the price of them. When people are haggling about price, they have already indicated that they want the item.

Just because you didn't want the Noble Exchange doesn't mean everyone else didn't want it. They were complaining about the price of its stock, not the presence of the store. They were complaining about the promises made in Fearless about saved fitting slots being purchasable for Aurum. They were complaining about the future of the game should CCP decide to follow the path of LOTRO, DDO and SW:TOR, not realising that those games went F2P because they were crap (i.e.: they didn't turn to crap because of F2P, though LOTRO didn't help the case by selling The One Ring and SW:TOR didn't help their case by selling hotbars).



Show me the statistics for people who rioted over WiS. Not the folks who don't care about WiS, not the folks who rioted because WiS took so much time away from flying in space, but the people who rioted because Incarna existed at all. People oohed and aaahed at the presentation back in 2009 (I think?) where Hilmar walked a capsuleer around the inside of the station. We speculated about what else would happen in stations besides trading boosters "off the grid" and playing/betting on Slay, and what would be involved in running an establishment, and would we be able to put our exotic dancers to work drumming up clientele?

The onus of proof is on you, as you made the baseless statements. Suggesting that I or anyone else do the research for you is disingenuous and only proves you are making-up things to assert your position. If the facts support your position you should have no trouble linking all of us to that information.

As originally stated: CITATION NEEDED.

Make free to play accounts perma -10 after trail account days, or account lapse, not able to train, not able to turn off the safetey in 0.5 or above space... And unable to use any level 5 or level dependant skill.. ( or maybe cap all skills calculated at 512001 sp until you plex your clone)

Just counted... I have spent more than 7000 usd on eve subs since my first account 10 years ago.

I have tried F2P MMO's. Screw that.
Crappy engines, botched visuals, boring gameplay, microtransactions for decent stuff, can't win if you don't RMT.

There is a reason I never quit EVE (my old toon doesn't count... I lost track of it when I joined the Army).

Keep your cute little JRPG-style cellshader sprites, your poorly animated angel-winged swordsmen, your animationless medieval strategy browser text, and your huge power gaps between subbed and free accounts (Penny Arcade knocked on that trend, hilariously, a while back).
I will be here... drinking my rum and coke, snarking away in local, jumping unsuspecting lowsec ratters, running with BlOps incursions into Sov-holder nullspace for little more than laughs, and not giving a damn whether or not I'm actually any good at PvP. I'm having fun, dammit.

Here's to 10 more years of EVE.
Maybe some day CCP will let me become Jovian.

Free to play means that CCP gets no money unless you choose to spend it. Someone already bought that plex. CCP got paid. You put in hard labor to have a month to play. It may not cost you the end user money but it was hardly free.

The way I look at it is making isk in-game is free as it's only leisure time and if people count all their leisure time as having a monetary value then why aren't they out working and earning real money instead of playing games. As far as I'm concerned and I'm sure others probably feel this way, leisure time does not have any monetary value.


Other F2P games will not be free either as someone is paying for you to play albeit indirectly. Some of those F2P games are only partially free as they have restrictions unless you subscribe but those are usually ones that were converted due to falling subscriptions.


Edit: That's not to say some people with their leisure activities can't make real money, but in EVE you don't get that option as we only make toy money in-game. But you do get the option to extend game time with toy money via PLEX.

the only way ftp would work for me is if you could not train skills... if you want to train you either need plex or pay sub.

that way if you ran out of plex you could still rat/plex and stuff to gain isk to buy a new plex but loose the ability to gain sp untill you get a plex or pay a sub.

not saying i want it that way but its the only way i would accept the concept.

absolute not. ...

Not to mention if u can make 500+ m a month which is actually not hard its free just buy a plex.. Between Pi mining and hauling not even including mission running you can make that easy with little to 0 effort. If u cant plex an account in a month of game time your doing it wrong no offence.