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It's really hard to believe that a single person who ever actually used scanner functionality ingame on Tranquility okayed these changes before they made it to Singularity. Between having to spin the camera around to see the results and the results disappearing after mere moments without populating scanner window, the "in space" view of anomalies is a joke and I can't imagine it amounting to anything other than some noise every time you change system or undock before you bring up the now ridiculously less powerful scanner window and do everything as you did before Odyssey.

The scan results list lost almost all of its functionality just to accomodate the stupid, ever-redrawing-while-scrolling "progress bar" scan result strength view, clearly this is more important than the actual scan progress bar before the results appear. If this had been tested under ~real life~ serious-internet-spaceship-business circumstances, you'd have noticed within moments that scrolling through 20+ (for pve, hundreds in pvp) effectively unsorted scan results is a completely unacceptable user experience. You're replacing a working part of the game with some "shiny" obviously halfassed flat-UI design mockup.

Maybe "it works" in contrived development environment tests where there's exactly one anomaly in the system and you mark your "it works, ship it!" checkbox once you've successfully confirmed that the scanner still manages to detect anomalies and move on to confirming that the stargate jump animation hides all your windows and brackets every time you jump even if you're in the map view and can't see the stargate, good job, high fives all around, and I suppose the shiny in-space effect made for a nice fanfest presentation, but this whole revamp adds exactly nothing to the real workflow of your players, who don't log in to ogle the light effects and then log off again but are using the scanner the umpteenth time per day to find the next site to run.

I don't really share the "you're dumbing down the game and robbing me of my deserved advantage over those good-for-nothing can't-do-3d-geometry-in-my-head casuals" sentiment, but as it stands the trilateration minigame is completely pointless. If you require seven probes, launch seven probes at once, and instantly arrange them into the one good trilateration formation, then move all seven at once so that the overlap of all seven scan volumes covers the location of the target, the system might as well just require a single probe instead of shitting up the map with seven pretend-independent circles that mostly cover area I specifically don't give a **** about. Just get it over with and throw out all the crummy trilateration math, make it work with one probe and maybe give people who trained Astrometrics 5 a second probe so they can keep combatscanning on two celestials at once. But don't just give us this bullshit.

I, for one, shall sell all my spaceships and dedicate myself to 24/7 pro-gaming EVR oculus rift action if this system ships without a more fundamental revamp than has been promised so far.

Also while a constant annoyance when going on scanning binges yet only vaguely replaced to exploration, of course you couldn't be bothered to fix the completely unnecessary multi-second freezes from creating a bookmark while the People&Places window is up and has the bookmark folders expanded with non-trivial (read: not a dev account on the test server) amounts of bookmarks, having animations in the scan results window is clearly more important than being able to record the scan results without prohibitive delays.

And what a ******* surprise, you ~streamlined~ away the time-remaining info for probes so now I get to write down when I launched probes my probes and make sure to check if it's been an hour since every so often! This sure is an interesting way of making the game more engaging and challenging!

Your 7 pawn analgoy is not valid. In chess 500 years ago you can only move one pawn at a time, even today it is one pawn at a time. You CAN move 7 probes at a time in either Retribution or Odyssey...this hasnt changed, thus your analogy is invalid.

If a company had to consult each of its subscribers before developing began...NOTHING would be done. It is great that EVE has awesome sandbox qualities and unqiueness; however, when you have such a huge ass steep cliff of learning curve...what do you off subscribers to WANT them to learn?

What I am hearing is, "I had to learn a long time and invest lots of skill time and real time to devlop my skills and now new players can do that from day one, so im pissed." Not every player in every game has the same learning experience, I suppose you would also like to have the return of learning skills too?? After all THAT is a steep learning curve having to train a whole month before even advancing in the game. This is not appealing to new players, and with new players we get new things to shoot at.



A step backwards is your opinion.

To be honest if you took a new player and a vet and gave them both interfaces, the new player will choose the new way, why? Because the entire process is more streamlined, yes it needs a bit of work but to them it is the better option. They don't have to stare at a database of results. Now a vet...OF COURSE they will choose the older option why? Because they are used to the way the information is laid out and given. The functionality is still not there, but I would rather look at a Ui enhanced overlay then fiddle with an antiquated database look.

You all may as well get used to these types of UI changes or find another game because the UI is old and the scanning system and inventory is just a start. Im fairly certain this is an area where CCP will focus a lot of attention on the next couple years. Get over it and adapt like the rest of us. A company is not going to halt development of reworking UI just to appease some vets. There may be some alternatives to how they are choosing them, but it will change in time. I am fine with them adding column sliders and such, such tweaking will come as needed, but I doubt it will ever completely be reversed. Time for EVE to enter the second decade with a new and fresh look. Great work CCP, I look forward to the changes you have planned for sisi over the next few weeks.

check probe scan time, new scaning modules and things decreasing scaning time, i have big confiusion, i have 98,8% bonus to scan time with new modules, skils, implants and stacking penelty on modules, and it still take suspisus long time to scan,
ofcourse i not including in this probe warping time

scan time;
astro 5 [25%] + astro acquisition 3 [15%] + implant [10%] + first module [20%] + secend module [20 x 0,87 = 17,4%] + 3rd mod
[ 20 x 0.57 = 11,4]
= 98,8% x 10 sec = ? check results at sisi with timer, or i make someting wrong here?

return scan progres bar, is nice to see when something is doing when you wait for scan results, you have place for it betwen
scan formation buttons and map buton

make radial menu for scaner on right clic and on left click scaner, or something like that, i wish to get one clic to get
scaner, seven probes at one click is one step forward this is nice, but two clic to scaner is one backward, and i not like
this

scaner overley show basae signal strength, dsp scan method with dsp also shows base signal strength at 256 au scan, but dsp shows this at the same pleace where you later scan sites and you have this info all the time when you scaning, in system scaner window

[1:0 for dsp]

to chceck results from sensor overlay you must spin you ship, dsp not have this problem becouse you have nice list in
system scaner window

[2:0 for dsp]

if you wish check basae signal strength with scaner overley during probe scaning when you need, you must close solar system map, and start spining your ship to find icons with site info, with dps you not have this problem, becouse you have this info in the same place where you have scaning info later, and you have this info all the time you scaning if probes don't overlap dsp, or you can make one screen shoot, for scaner overley first way is imposible and secend with screen shoot make it more dificult becouse you need a lot of screen shoots.

[3:0 for dsp]

dsp use system scan filter that mean, you can choose intresting you sites from list. and you get only info for this type of
sites you are intrestes, sensor overlay not show ships and structures, and this is very needed in pvp, recon, and scouting, combat and core probs have smaller range so your chanse for cach somone for pvp is smaller

[4:0 for dsp]

info from dsp can be refreshed by making secend scan, and you can check if new sites spawn, or new hostiles comes to system, to do that with sensor overlay you need to dock and undoc or jump from system and jamp back, wich is ridiculus

[5:0 for dsp]

sensor overlay have nice new graphic animation, and you have only one type of probe in inventory, that make little more easy
to handle with inventory

[5:1 for dsp]

so then, fix requests; scaner overley if is active, should show info about sites around in space, in system scaner window,
and maby at solar system map

scaner overley, should use system scaner filter, whis wich is selected for probes in this time, something like overview settings
for d scan, and dsp use it now

scaner overley must have refresh option, this can be analyze buton, so if scaner overley is active you refreshing scaner overley when you making system scan wich is the same, and you automaticly refresh scaner overley when you making probe scan. 7 probes and dsp works exactly in this way now.

scan probes always should be lunched with max range

scaner overley should have radius range at least of 1024 au or biger, becouse some systems are biger, one dps have 256au and you can luch 8 of them, so you can cover almost any system but even with them, are some sytems where you must move them becouse system is to big, so if you give to small scaner overley range wich work like dscan range, you get that there will be some systems with blind spots for scaner overley, but dsp not have this problem becouse you can move them. so scaner overley range must be big or treat like infinite for signle solar system.

scaner overley, if is active with out probles in space, should show at site info basae signal strength of site.
if lunched with probes, and probe range overlap or you start scaning site, then at site info you should be two nambers with
signal strength, one still from scaner overley, and secend number additionaly to basic signal strength, modifaied by probes, in system scaner window, so there should be two signal strength info in site info "basae signal strength"and second modified by probes, you can do this now with dsp by making screenshot or if you have god memory, or if your other drones not overlap dsp, now you can have 8 probes, one set of 7 core/combat and 1 dsp, nice if you impreve this.

now to change scan probe range you need to grab and drag blue spahre (not like this method i more prefer this secend) or
select probes righ click at selected probes and you get first menu with 4 options; recover probe, destroy probe, deactivate
probe, scan range. when you go scan range option you get all ranges option to chose, my offer is to delate secend menu,
delete in first menu scan range option, and put in first menu all ranges form secend menu so you have all in first menu

during rage change of scan probes, by dragging blue sphere , digits of probe range in probe window info should change also, becouse zooming in and out sometimes is confusing, and then you change/drag range at intuition, and this not work very well

secend issue is selecting probes in on board scaner window, now to selecet one probe you need to one left click at it, to
select all you need click one from top or form boton and with shift key left click to top or botom probe, my request here is
to make that to select all probes by only two left clicks with shift at any proble in probe info window; you click two times
left with shilf at any probe and you get all probes selected. or only with two left clicks, and center probe comand move to
two left click with shift.

A good sentiment in my opinion - but at the same time you make this information (even easier readable as base signature strengths without any modifiers) available in the new 'onboard scanner'. Nevermind that you don't need Deep Space Probes to do that whole band filtering. I think a little randomization in sig strengths would have beem better.

You also seem to want probing done easier for newer characters (all the modules that up your probing stength). This is IMO totally how to not do it - because it means that seasoned explorers will be even faster scanning down stuff. And i am also not sure if a kinda newbish character should be able to scan down some of the currently hardest to scan sites.

the kind of new player who is discouraged by a complicated scan result will not last in EVE anyway. there is a million other MMOs out there that are light years ahead of EVE in almost all aspects except the ones that this change is trying to break: the steep learning curve, the appeal of the unknown and freedom to do what YOU think is right.

Why no T2 Core and Combat Probes?

and Why are the rigs for CPU, and + to Scanning so damned hard to fit... I can fit 2x Grave, but nothing else... waste of one rig slot.. ok, so go to one Grav and then try to put on two CPU rigs... *FAIL*... drat... ok um... hacking rig... and oh wait... nope... ok... so I have this ship, and I want to rig it... and the rig calabrations for scanning rigs and others that I might use can't fit... can we have a look see at this?

I like the modules - mids, and that is nice, but yes wouldn't a script actually be better? then if you want all three - three modules and three scripts, or if you want to simply change them out for a speciific you can still say... put that mid slot analyzer or hacker on your scanning frigate?...

I felt that once I fit out a T1 scanning ship to be all it could be - it could scan very well, but couldn't probably do the site, without a refit or a re-ship... just due to the fitting of modules for it, and not even trying to combat or tank it... just trying to load it up with the things for doing the site... but maybe I am just doing it wrong, I will give it some more tries tonight on SISI and see if what I am saying makes any sense to me after that.

But I LIKE THE CHANGES SO FAR +1

Also this feature is used deliberately by wormholers who want to quickly jump through a hole to check where it leads, and then come back and reconnect to continue scanning, without having to re-lay their probes back out into their preferred formation.

Not sur if this has changed or not but I would like to have the probes left behind as the are great for dirtying up a bubble camp for cloakers and what is going to happen to the probe market?

Or at lest give me a safety to turn off