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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#121 - 2013-05-02 14:58:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ana Vyr wrote:
I don't have the playtime to be in a corp. I refuse to burden others with my lack of attention to the game. By the same token, when I finally do get in game, I want to do what I want, not get roped into something else. Corps are awesome if you have the time and motivation to participate though. Solo Eve simply suits my lifestyle.


This is a really common misconception about player corps.

My corp asks me to do...exactly nothing. Zilch, nada. I do as I please, if I see someone needs help (need boosts for some mining or ratting fleet, needs a cyno etc etc) I do it, IF I want to.

There are LOTS or player corps like mine, in fact mine is more likely the model for an EVE corp than the draconian "control everything you do" type corps.

"Soloing" isn't a bad thing, but making silly excuses for not being in a player corp (instead of just saying "i don't like being bothered by other people) is kind of a bad thing. No one cares why you don't do something, do as you please.


What is the point if you aren't cooperating with one another? I've been in corps, and it was a lot of fun, but I'm not going to join one at this point, just because I don't play much anymore. I'm not insecure about that.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2013-05-02 15:44:42 UTC
TL/DR: People that suck at PVP, so don't want to fight people that are actually reading and willing to PVP, look at high sec carebears as easy targets should only exist to let them pad their kill board stats and grow their epeen. They whine and whine and whine that the high sec carebears refuse to be easy targets, and whine, whine, whine about the game mechanics that protect the high sec carebears.



Here is my take:

Some people suck at ship to ship PvP against other players that are looking to PvP. These suck PvPers fly around high sec and see all these PVEers and think, "Now here are people we can beat up on". They war dec some of these industrial types, thinking "Easy kills", but then those PVEers don't undock.

SO, the suck PvPers think, we'll just wait them out. If we keep the war deck going, they'll eventually be forced to come out and fight.

What actually happens is the PVEers, that have no interest in PVP, simply drop out of player corp, to NPC corp.


The suck PvPers, come to the forums and whine about how much it sucks that they can't gets lots of easy kills of industrialists. They whine about local. They whine about CONCORD. They whine about NPC corps. They whine, whine, whine that these solo players won't come out and be easy kills..


When the industrialists respond that if you want to PvP, go find other players that want to PvP, the suck PvPers then whine that the problem is all the casual, solo, PVEers, that refuse to be their easy victims.




The problem is not the solo players. The problem is all the people that want the solo players to be their easy victims.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#123 - 2013-05-02 15:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
LHA Tarawa wrote:

When the industrialists respond that if you want to PvP, go find other players that want to PvP, the suck PvPers then whine that the problem is all the casual, solo, PVEers, that refuse to be their easy victims.




The problem is not the solo players. The problem is all the people that want the solo players to be their easy victims.

10/10 funny post. I'm glad people don't really feel this way though, that would just be crazy. Imagine that...
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-05-02 16:22:38 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:

When the industrialists respond that if you want to PvP, go find other players that want to PvP, the suck PvPers then whine that the problem is all the casual, solo, PVEers, that refuse to be their easy victims.




The problem is not the solo players. The problem is all the people that want the solo players to be their easy victims.

10/10 funny post. I'm glad people don't really feel this way though, that would just be crazy. Imagine that...


I don't want to raise the ire of my follow capsuleers, but there are plenty of people who have asked for the ability to "force people to undock". Maybe they were joking, but I'm pretty sure deep down they wanted this change.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#125 - 2013-05-02 16:27:33 UTC
Well you can't force people to undock, but at the same time, you can't force people to go PvP somewhere (or someone) else. People are allowed to bring PvP to any part of the galaxy and to any undocked player they wish.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#126 - 2013-05-02 21:14:06 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
TL/DR: People that suck at PVP, so don't want to fight people that are actually reading and willing to PVP, look at high sec carebears as easy targets should only exist to let them pad their kill board stats and grow their epeen. They whine and whine and whine that the high sec carebears refuse to be easy targets, and whine, whine, whine about the game mechanics that protect the high sec carebears.



Here is my take:

Some people suck at ship to ship PvP against other players that are looking to PvP. These suck PvPers fly around high sec and see all these PVEers and think, "Now here are people we can beat up on". They war dec some of these industrial types, thinking "Easy kills", but then those PVEers don't undock.

SO, the suck PvPers think, we'll just wait them out. If we keep the war deck going, they'll eventually be forced to come out and fight.

What actually happens is the PVEers, that have no interest in PVP, simply drop out of player corp, to NPC corp.


The suck PvPers, come to the forums and whine about how much it sucks that they can't gets lots of easy kills of industrialists. They whine about local. They whine about CONCORD. They whine about NPC corps. They whine, whine, whine that these solo players won't come out and be easy kills..


When the industrialists respond that if you want to PvP, go find other players that want to PvP, the suck PvPers then whine that the problem is all the casual, solo, PVEers, that refuse to be their easy victims.




The problem is not the solo players. The problem is all the people that want the solo players to be their easy victims.


This is actually more true than ppl want to admit, I know first hand it is because I have been in a few of those types of corps untill I realized what was actually going on. However you will always have those who pick on the weak and to be honest it adds alot of depth to Eve.








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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2013-05-02 21:21:10 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Well you can't force people to undock, but at the same time, you can't force people to go PvP somewhere (or someone) else. People are allowed to bring PvP to any part of the galaxy and to any undocked player they wish.


True.

If you are willing to suicide gank, and eat the standings loss, then have at it. And if this starts happening too much, and causes carebears to start quitting, then CCP will alter the mechanics to reduce the amount of random high sec ganking to a level that doesn't drive away the carebears.
MoonWatcher Overt
BoneThrowers
#128 - 2013-05-02 22:53:12 UTC
for me
i work in a corp rl and don't wanna be just another number at play
also haven't got time for corp chat as less isk etc as never know how long on for
or alternative loose assoc is solo play anyhow
and when ganked usually pirate gives u the low down too
= very casual very cool very eve just being whatever
can mainline that vibe anytime
love it
know theres more but there is always time
being older and all
Inxentas Ultramar
Orde van Oranje Nassau
The Watchmen.
#129 - 2013-05-03 06:16:02 UTC
MoonWatcher Overt wrote:
for me
i work in a corp rl and don't wanna be just another number at play
also haven't got time for corp chat as less isk etc as never know how long on for
or alternative loose assoc is solo play anyhow
and when ganked usually pirate gives u the low down too
= very casual very cool very eve just being whatever
can mainline that vibe anytime
love it
know theres more but there is always time
being older and all


Drugs are bad, mkay? Cool
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#130 - 2013-05-03 06:55:10 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP will alter the mechanics to reduce the amount of random high sec ganking to a level that doesn't drive away the carebears.

I doubt that. They didn't do anything about Burn Jita and I don't think suicide ganking will go too far beyond the scale of that. I honestly don't think CCP cares if carebears quit.
Miyamoto Tekitsu
Perkone
Caldari State
#131 - 2013-05-03 07:26:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Miyamoto Tekitsu wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

This is a really common misconception about player corps.

My corp asks me to do...exactly nothing. Zilch, nada. I do as I please, if I see someone needs help (need boosts for some mining or ratting fleet, needs a cyno etc etc) I do it, IF I want to.

There are LOTS or player corps like mine, in fact mine is more likely the model for an EVE corp than the draconian "control everything you do" type corps.


That is exactly what your telling people to do, join a corp then do nothing but gain a chat window and some tax.

If your not going to contribute to a corp in any way, you are either just in it for the social (same as adding a chat window, just without the corp tax) or your there to leach corp assests. If I have missed something then please tell me.


What you are missing is English lol.

I said they don't ASK/MAKE me do anything, i do as I please. "As I please" a lot of times includes moving ships in my carrier for people, lighting cynos, occasionally pvping, teaching new players the ins and outs of null sec PVE etc etc.

You are confusing "they don't make me" with "I don't contribute". That's what you are missing. I see it as a duty to my friends to help out from time to time, but they can't ORDER me to be online at a certain time for certain things.

And i'm not telling anyone to do anything, if they want to be in an npc the game allows for that...I simply think the game should stop allowing for that lol.


There is nothing wrong with my Enlgish.

you
/yo͞o/
Pronoun

Used to refer to the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "are you listening?"; "I love you".

I'm not just addressing you, but all those reading the thread.

So I will ask my question again. If you are not going to contribute to a corp in any way, why should you join one?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#132 - 2013-05-03 07:29:50 UTC
Miyamoto Tekitsu wrote:
If you are not going to contribute to a corp in any way, why should you join one?
10% tax is a contribution.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#133 - 2013-05-03 08:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: lollerwaffle
Miyamoto Tekitsu wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Miyamoto Tekitsu wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

This is a really common misconception about player corps.

My corp asks me to do...exactly nothing. Zilch, nada. I do as I please, if I see someone needs help (need boosts for some mining or ratting fleet, needs a cyno etc etc) I do it, IF I want to.

There are LOTS or player corps like mine, in fact mine is more likely the model for an EVE corp than the draconian "control everything you do" type corps.


That is exactly what your telling people to do, join a corp then do nothing but gain a chat window and some tax.

If your not going to contribute to a corp in any way, you are either just in it for the social (same as adding a chat window, just without the corp tax) or your there to leach corp assests. If I have missed something then please tell me.


What you are missing is English lol.

I said they don't ASK/MAKE me do anything, i do as I please. "As I please" a lot of times includes moving ships in my carrier for people, lighting cynos, occasionally pvping, teaching new players the ins and outs of null sec PVE etc etc.

You are confusing "they don't make me" with "I don't contribute". That's what you are missing. I see it as a duty to my friends to help out from time to time, but they can't ORDER me to be online at a certain time for certain things.

And i'm not telling anyone to do anything, if they want to be in an npc the game allows for that...I simply think the game should stop allowing for that lol.


There is nothing wrong with my Enlgish.

you
/yo͞o/
Pronoun

Used to refer to the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "are you listening?"; "I love you".

I'm not just addressing you, but all those reading the thread.

So I will ask my question again. If you are not going to contribute to a corp in any way, why should you join one?


So you posted 4 lines of text to address that random one-liner right at the start, then proceeded to ignore everything else posted after that? Big smile

EDIT: This type of behaviour is fairly typical of a select type of people. You know who you are.
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#134 - 2013-05-03 12:20:42 UTC
Xavier Quo wrote:
Me too. Solo losec exploration, avoid pirates, interacting with random people on your journey, that is what eve is for me.

I think sometimes CCP doesn't get that for a lot of people it's a time thing. Sometimes I can only play for an hour or two a week due to work and RL interests. Waiting around for fleets etc is simply not an option for me 90% of the time and I'm guessing for a lot of others as well.

Incentivising group play simply won't work on me, no matter how big the incentive, and making it obvious that you are losing out for being solo in certain situations is a huge mistake in game design.


This. ^
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#135 - 2013-05-03 12:39:11 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
TL/DR: People that suck at PVP, so don't want to fight people that are actually reading and willing to PVP, look at high sec carebears as easy targets should only exist to let them pad their kill board stats and grow their epeen. They whine and whine and whine that the high sec carebears refuse to be easy targets, and whine, whine, whine about the game mechanics that protect the high sec carebears.



Here is my take:

Some people suck at ship to ship PvP against other players that are looking to PvP. These suck PvPers fly around high sec and see all these PVEers and think, "Now here are people we can beat up on". They war dec some of these industrial types, thinking "Easy kills", but then those PVEers don't undock.

SO, the suck PvPers think, we'll just wait them out. If we keep the war deck going, they'll eventually be forced to come out and fight.

What actually happens is the PVEers, that have no interest in PVP, simply drop out of player corp, to NPC corp.


The suck PvPers, come to the forums and whine about how much it sucks that they can't gets lots of easy kills of industrialists. They whine about local. They whine about CONCORD. They whine about NPC corps. They whine, whine, whine that these solo players won't come out and be easy kills..


When the industrialists respond that if you want to PvP, go find other players that want to PvP, the suck PvPers then whine that the problem is all the casual, solo, PVEers, that refuse to be their easy victims.




The problem is not the solo players. The problem is all the people that want the solo players to be their easy victims.


This guy is the GD poster boy for victimization. Everyone who says "they just want easy kills" is in fact saying "those guys are big meanies and they suck so they must care about what I do because I'm the only person who really exists". When you tell them that no one cares about what they do, they reject it, because how can reality NOT be centered on them?

Really Tarawa, what pare of non consensual pvp game is hard for you to understand? You don't have to consent to pvp or "go find people who want pvp" in EVE, you just have to find someone IN SPACE if you want pvp. That is the way EVE is and has always been.

And yet, knowing how EVE is (and knowing what kind of people play EVE), you and your like still choose to play while complaining about the basic nature of the game. It's like going swimming and complaining about the wetness of water.

It's ok that you and people like you don't like non-consensual pvp (when I'm not feeling up to it, I play Star Trek Online which has zero non-copnsensual pvp so i can run missions in peace), but if you don't like (or at least can't tolerate) non-consensual pvp, your choice to play a game like EVE is foolish in the extreme.

And yet, hiding behind your ego, you think there is something wrong with the "suck pvp'rs" for playing the gamer the way it allows, but nothing wrong with you for making a poor choice in game to play... I find that amazing.

I'm not much into pvp these days and when i was participating in it i mostly did it to help my corp/alliance out, I've never been a pvp junky like some people, but my GOD man, listen to yourself. EVE is PVP game, you should accept that as I've done and move on.


Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#136 - 2013-05-03 12:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Meryl SinGarda
Lors Dornick wrote:
[quote=Davis TetrisKing]
So if you want to play solo, then play solo and accept the fact that you are playing solo in a multi-player game, and for some of us, quit moaning about it.


I play solo and I'd say that my gameplay style is pretty much exactly like the OP's, but...

As he said, we all know this is a multiplayer game. Being ridiculed for not choosing anyone to join my "team" is stupid. Also, as a solo player I am both running my own corporation and playing faction warfare. Makes things like 20,000 times more interesting.

If people were to show interest in joining my corp and hanging out, I wouldn't be solo. But I'm not one to go around advertising my B.U.T.T.
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#137 - 2013-05-03 12:50:55 UTC
Miyamoto Tekitsu wrote:


There is nothing wrong with my Enlgish.

you
/yo͞o/
Pronoun

Used to refer to the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "are you listening?"; "I love you".

I'm not just addressing you, but all those reading the thread.

So I will ask my question again. If you are not going to contribute to a corp in any way, why should you join one?


A better way to ask is "why not ju8st stay in an NPC corp?".

To me the answer is simple: The NPC corp scheme is one of the most anti-EVE things EVE has going. It's no-cost (or at least very low cost) isolation against interaction (such as war decs).

Regular (player) corp characters in high sec are subject to the bad effects of war decs (and being in a player corp offers few to no benefit to the individual player), where as the ONLY way to have such an effect on an NPC corp player is via suicide. The fundamentally flawed and I'll bet CCP knows it.

How to fix it I don't know, more penalties for staying in an NPC corp past a certain amoount of skill points maybe, or treating npc corps like trial accounts (can't train or use certain skills while in the npc corp), or some limited type of war dec other players can use against npc corp players.

Or maybe buffing player corps, like if you player corp is above 8 standings with the faction you run missions for the mission runner gets a slightly bigger LP pay out (as an isolated example).

(not suggesting any of the above are good ideas, i'm not a game maker just spitballing ideas to illustrate the point)

EVE is supposed to be a player driven game. People who play directly with and against other people, who interact are supposed to be more rewarded for that than people who don't. NPC corps are cool in that they let you role play some, but are otherwise an aberration in a game that's supposed to be about players.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#138 - 2013-05-03 12:51:01 UTC
Davis TetrisKing wrote:
So what are people's main objections to people like myself playing solo?


Logically, there's no reason for them to object. It is a sandbox game, and thus allows everyone to play any way they wish.

However, when your playstyle doesn't conform to someone else's idea of what you should play like, they will likely raise a stink about it. As far as EVE goes, the most common example is PvPers complaining about people who don't want to fight them (hi-seccers, wcs lovers, etc.), who are constantly trying to change the game so that other people have no choice but to do what the PvPers want (the usual "remove highsec, remove local, blah blah, though I happen to agree with remove local because it is simply idiotic, even the most carebear of games doesn't have such an insane intel tool).

And this is not unique to EVE, not by a long shot. You can see it in literally every other genre. If you try to play defensively (aka turtle) in Starcraft, you will get yelled at. Just as you'll get yelled at for doing a cheap early rush (zergling push, for example). In an FPS game, such as BF3, I got yelled at for playing Recon, because I would be "sitting back and sniping", even though I was moving with the front line with an SMG and throwing motion sensors to assist the team's push effort. Same goes with literally every other genre.

Bottom line - when a game allows you flexibility, and the playstyle you choose conflicts with someone else's idea of what you should be doing, they WILL try to change your playstyle. Either directly, or by manipulating the developers into making your chosen playstyle nonviable. And it is very, very, very., very common.
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#139 - 2013-05-03 12:56:31 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
[quote=Davis TetrisKing]
So if you want to play solo, then play solo and accept the fact that you are playing solo in a multi-player game, and for some of us, quit moaning about it.


I play solo and I'd say that my gameplay style is pretty much exactly like the OP's, but...

As he said, we all know this is a multiplayer game. Being ridiculed for not choosing anyone to join my "team" is stupid. Also, as a solo player I am both running my own corporation and playing faction warfare. Makes things like 20,000 times more interesting.

If people were to show interest in joining my corp and hanging out, I wouldn't be solo. But I'm not one to go around advertising my B.U.T.T.


You are completely missing the point. No one, and I mean no one, Is saying that what you are doing is wrong or bad.

You play against other people in FW, so you aren't asking to"be left alone" in EVE as if it were a single player game. You are demonstrating that you understand the multiplayer nature of the game. No one is "ridiculing" you.

The people who DO get rightfully ridiculed are those who think High sec should be totally safe, or in some other way they should be immune to the influence of others. That's not what EVE is.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#140 - 2013-05-03 13:05:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
[quote=Davis TetrisKing]
So if you want to play solo, then play solo and accept the fact that you are playing solo in a multi-player game, and for some of us, quit moaning about it.


I play solo and I'd say that my gameplay style is pretty much exactly like the OP's, but...

As he said, we all know this is a multiplayer game. Being ridiculed for not choosing anyone to join my "team" is stupid. Also, as a solo player I am both running my own corporation and playing faction warfare. Makes things like 20,000 times more interesting.

If people were to show interest in joining my corp and hanging out, I wouldn't be solo. But I'm not one to go around advertising my B.U.T.T.


You are completely missing the point. No one, and I mean no one, Is saying that what you are doing is wrong or bad.

You play against other people in FW, so you aren't asking to"be left alone" in EVE as if it were a single player game. You are demonstrating that you understand the multiplayer nature of the game. No one is "ridiculing" you.

The people who DO get rightfully ridiculed are those who think High sec should be totally safe, or in some other way they should be immune to the influence of others. That's not what EVE is.


And I wholeheartily agree with that.