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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#161 - 2013-05-03 18:27:52 UTC
Noone cares about soloists it's just when they pipe up about things catering to a solo crowd. I'm a solo guy meself (no alts) most of the time but I get enjoyment from being able to compete with that handicap.

If you want to be solo here that means you want a challenge. If ya need CCP to add "solo content" then you don't want to be a soloist you just want an easy game and can gtfo.
Josef Djugashvilis
#162 - 2013-05-03 18:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Bruce Kemp wrote:
Since 2004 i have flown in fleets of 250+, flown in gangs of 10/20/30 ppl and flown in pvp solo.

As long as your playing eve your way, that all that matters.

Smile


^^^ this a thousand times this

Why do some folk struggle so much with this idea?

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Josef Djugashvilis
#163 - 2013-05-03 18:52:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Bruce Kemp wrote:
Since 2004 i have flown in fleets of 250+, flown in gangs of 10/20/30 ppl and flown in pvp solo.

As long as your playing eve your way, that all that matters.

Smile


^^^ this, a thousand time this

Why do some folk struggle so much with this idea?


Bah double post !

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Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#164 - 2013-05-03 20:01:49 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
You will do well in Eve with that mindset. There was a time when highsec was a lot less safe and I miss those times.


I completely agree with this. (I haven't read the entire thread but am definitely working my way there. I love discussions like this and this post made me have to stop and comment) I'm a solo player myself. I have experienced a lot of EVE, from missioning and arcs to alliance leadership (though not in nullsec), and I've found that I personally am MOST comfortable flying solo or with on a small group in WH space. It's my safe-zone, and I feel is far safer than anything highsec has to offer me. Exploration is key in WH space and the content is extremely rich, as are the possibilities.

That being said, like I said before, I enjoy flying in a fleet from time to time. I don't mind a few people bee-bopping around with me. When I'm enrolled in FW I definitely enjoy FC'ing and running around in huge fleets. At the end of the day I want to kick back and unwind, whether that be exploring, mining, or even just toying around editing my character. I'm not against the fact that this is a multiplayer game, and if I wanted a strictly single player game, I'd play FTL.

I feel that over time I've observed a great number of solo players complaining about THEIR particular needs in a game largely driven by a mass of players. As a business, CCP has to appeal to the largest stream of revenue, for themselves and their shareholders. As an MMO, CCP has to appeal to, you guessed it, the largest part of the player base. This isn't unexpected and completely understandable.

That being said, this is a multiplayer game. Playing solo doesn't isolate you from the rest of the population. Playing solo is just as challenging, if not more challenging, than playing with others all the time. The difference is that I have a lot more control of my time utilization when I play the way I do, even though my impact on New Eden isn't great like that of the Goons, for example.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#165 - 2013-05-03 20:44:41 UTC
Regardless of it being an MMO, not everyone wants to be fleeted up 24/7 when playing. The lack of decent(fun) solo activities is a blemish on Eve, and probably hurts retention rates.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#166 - 2013-05-03 21:05:36 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Regardless of it being an MMO, not everyone wants to be fleeted up 24/7 when playing. The lack of decent(fun) solo activities is a blemish on Eve, and probably hurts retention rates.


I hope they overhaul missioning and complexes at some point. saying eve isn't a theme park isn't true, it's just a pretty crappy one.

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BlackCobalt
#167 - 2013-05-03 21:31:58 UTC
I have 1 account and have doing the solo play since I've started playing eve years ago. I can't afford anymore then 1 account and I don't want too plex 10 accounts too be a multi player and logging into all 10 accounts separately to play is waste.

Why ccp hasn't allowed players to log the alts on at the same time as the main is beyond me.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#168 - 2013-05-03 21:39:48 UTC
BlackCobalt wrote:
I have 1 account and have doing the solo play since I've started playing eve years ago. I can't afford anymore then 1 account and I don't want too plex 10 accounts too be a multi player and logging into all 10 accounts separately to play is waste.

Why ccp hasn't allowed players to log the alts on at the same time as the main is beyond me.

Because that would make things worse than they are, especially for the solo crowd.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#169 - 2013-05-03 22:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: OfBalance
Davis TetrisKing wrote:

So what are people's main objections to people like myself playing solo?


The same reason people object to -insert game mechanic- or -insert player demographic- of any sort. Being that we all send money to CCP or send isk to others so that they will do the same in our stead, I think it's rather amusing players would care, but there is a persistent political demographic around here who are in a state of permanent dismay that we're not playing according to a rule-set that does not exist.

As the hilariously astute supposed counter-point (showcased in reply #1 of course) goes: this is a sandbox mmo. Unfortunately for anyone who unironically hangs their hat on this observation: sandbox comes first, mmo second. In a true sandbox, there is no regulation mandating a multilayer experience. It is there to be had. It's ever encouraged, but if one chooses to adopt a solo play-style, they've weighed the benefits and made that decision.

Long live EVE and the sandbox. Let those who would tell you how to play a game in your spare time go play in traffic. Same goes for any solo purist who wants the sandbox bent to his or her own play-style.
CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#170 - 2013-05-04 04:00:49 UTC
Davis TetrisKing wrote:
So what are people's main objections to people like myself playing solo?


The ones with objections to our ''solo'' playing style are those who doesn't understand the concept of sandbox and want everyone else play the game the way they think it should be played.

I'll join the group of people telling you ''play the game the way you want and don't care about the rest''.

The reasons for me to solo play almost all the time are much like yours, we don't have tons of hours to spend and sometimes playing with others make waste much of that time we have, or perhaps makes us feel we are not contributing enough to our corps.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#171 - 2013-05-04 05:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
I agree with the OP.

+1 like for sure.

There's quite a few semi solo players in this game. Just because we aren't in a gang roaming round the Universe doesn't mean we aren't interacting with other players.



DMC
Provence Tristram
Doomheim
#172 - 2013-05-04 08:38:14 UTC
I confess - I pretty much exclusively play solo (can't you tell from my "elite corp?").

Overally, I've never been able to break into EVE's more social side. I've had a number of people actively attempt to gank me... and even one near shave on a corp kill shortly after I chanced an invite. I am sure there are nice, pleasant, and trust-worthy people out there, but space is a harsh and unforgiving place, and I didn't have a lot of faith in humanity to begin with.

Missioning solo is boring, but with my low overall experience (and complete absence of PvP skill), I just don't feel like I'd offer all that much to a corp. I'm an intellectual first, but that doesn't really get you very far in a cutthroat galaxy of scheming, stealing and bargaining. Eventually, I may try to reach out again, but I don't think I will do so until I can effectively fit at least T2 in all slots on an Amarr BS.

Then, I might still be completely green, but I'll at least look menacing.
Rebius Noir
ReDan Fleet
#173 - 2013-05-20 12:16:41 UTC
Davis TetrisKing wrote:
I understand that 'eve is a multiplayer game', and the best way to thrive is to join forces with others.


At the beginning of my career I was also in a corp and alliance and occupied for a few weeks nulsec, but the thing, that I never really liked, was playing EVE almost like having another job. You have to be present, you have to train this, you have to do this, if you don't do this you will be expelled... I don't like this style.
So I'm also most of the time solo player. I have been playing EVE almost 10 years now (with a few major breaks though), I have my own corp with me and my 2nd alt for about 3,5 years and I love the game in first place. (Because on the other hand, there are not much "Space-themed" games after all, and if they are, they are 10 to 15 years old Big smile)

I play games for fun, not because I must and I want it to stay that way. So after those long years I'm still a newb, but I have skills and though I whine sometimes about a loss now and then I can live with it (and most importantly I don't bother anyone with my problems) and do what I want.

And I don't say I wouldn't join up with an alliance, if they would just let me live in my own way and wouldn't push me around Blink
Avalon Champion
Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency
#174 - 2013-05-20 12:30:29 UTC
I am pretty much a 'solo' player, although i also enjoy the social side of things, which I can get from an NPC corp, I'll also post on the boards, and occasionally join a Corp where i participate fully.

In the end I'm content to run missions in my game time or mine with my industry alt as I find it relaxing, I will also put RL first, which puts the back of some corps/alliances up, as I refuse to be at their beck and call which often happens if theres a planned op on and you cant get on. Its one reason I have for not training for capitals and higher.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2013-05-20 12:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
I like to do my own thing.

This is an MMO and expecting special treatment just because I am on my own is ********. And those that want special treatment for their solo play is ********.

Even though I do thing on my own, I do affect alot of people with my so called solo gameplay so am I really solo?

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#176 - 2013-05-20 12:54:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
ShahFluffers wrote:
I don't have an issue with solo play per se...

What pisses me off is when solo players expect to be competitive with groups of players and/or feel that they deserve special consideration/mechanics/ships over others who put the effort into dealing with other mouth breathers (which is no small feat).

People always seem to forget that corps and alliances are basically collections of "solo players" who have simply decided to pool their individual resources with those of others. Ergo, anything done to aid a "true solo player" will always be to the greater advantage of those willing to work together.


Imho you are providing a shallow picture of the matter.

There are MMOs out there where it's so easy to setup "task oriented groups". Those groups are very nice because even the most casual guy without many chances to establish himself in a long standing relation with other players, can still perform group activities, have fun and socialize.

Incursions are what in EvE came closest to this. Even without super tight acquaintances or being in dedicated corps, people could quickly join something social and perform a task and then everyone back to their lives.



The crux of the matter is, they DO WANT to partake in social activities, they just have various constraints that prevent them from joining more organized entities.

Therefore the new gen of MMOs that have those "quick join" features are awesome for a "casual". Once I thought those quick join features would not create friendship but I found out it's not true. Out of 10 groups you will find the 1-2 guys you just like to stick around and add to the contact list for later.


Casuals that whine imo are whining because they can't express themselves in EvE as they could if EvE had more Incursions-alike features and less "heavy weight" demanding social features. Lets leave out the implementation, the fact Incursions were imbalanced etc, let's focus to the social aspect of the feature per se.

Imo EvE should add more of that.

It's OK to leave a "gap" between the potential achievements of those who are casuals and the dedicated guys, but give room for casuals too. They are SO MANY potential new players and they would still all pay $15.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#177 - 2013-05-20 13:11:33 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
I don't have an issue with solo play per se...

What pisses me off is when solo players expect to be competitive with groups of players and/or feel that they deserve special consideration/mechanics/ships over others who put the effort into dealing with other mouth breathers (which is no small feat).

People always seem to forget that corps and alliances are basically collections of "solo players" who have simply decided to pool their individual resources with those of others. Ergo, anything done to aid a "true solo player" will always be to the greater advantage of those willing to work together.


Imho you are providing a shallow picture of the matter.

There are MMOs out there where it's so easy to setup "task oriented groups". Those groups are very nice because even the most casual guy without many chances to establish himself in a long standing relation with other players, can still perform group activities, have fun and socialize.

Incursions are what in EvE came closest to this. Even without super tight acquaintances or being in dedicated corps, people could quickly join something social and perform a task and then everyone back to their lives.



The crux of the matter is, they DO WANT to partake in social activities, they just have various constraints that prevent them to join more organized entities.

Therefore the new gen of MMOs that have those "quick join" features are awesome for a "casual". Once I thought those quick join features would not create friendship but I found out it's not true. Out of 10 groups you will find the 1-2 guys you just like to stick around and add to the contact list for later.


Casuals that whine imo are whining because they can't express themselves in EvE as they could if EvE had more Incursions-alike features and less "heavy weight" demanding social features. Lets leave out the implementation, the fact Incursions were imbalanced etc, let's focus to the social aspect of the feature per se.

Imo EvE should add more of that.

It's OK to leave a "gap" between the potential achievements of those who are casuals and the dedicated guys, but give room for casuals too. They are SO MANY potential new players and they would still all pay $15.


Well, EVE is so anti-solo that they will miss even the most obvious chances. FAI, the new hacking minigame would had made for a nice soloable, casual acitvity, if they just had allowed it to be done any time and anywhere rather than only in a site and in space. Put the loot in a lootable sealed container and hack the container later, when you want or when you can.

But NOOOH, that would be heresy! PvP need to jump on hapless explorers too busy to d-scan! Your child just broke his arm but don't let his cries distract you! Don't stop hititng d-scan, lest you lose your ship! HTFU and welcome to EVE! What?

Seriously, they're totally tainted by anti-solo, anti-casual thought. And so feature upon feature just missfire and fails to reach its full potential.
Muad 'dib
The Nine Nine
#178 - 2013-05-20 13:38:29 UTC
solo is good.

its not all about finding 1v1s, its about terrorizing a gang by yourself and getting some fights from them - or if you are super ballsy and have a 10 bil vindi, kill them all your self! :D

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#179 - 2013-05-20 14:24:16 UTC
I have played EvE since 2003. I think I have been in maybe 2 small gangs with Privateers and perhaps 5 large fleets with a null alliance in that time. It's not that I don't like people really, it's more that I feel crowded by more than just me in a gang or fleet :) ok it's probably the not liking people thing.

it's amusing reading all the comments such as soloers are whiners and no one cares about soloers or soloers don't contribute to the game. Oh and we just mine or run missions too.

Well let me just say I complained a little in the early EvE universe about CCP shafting soloers. Then I had some alliance dweeb get on the forums here and tell me if I didn't like alliances to fight back against them. He was being a smart ass as obviously what could a exclusively solo player do. But I took his advice and made Privateers. What did the alliances do about it? They WHINED SO LOUD CCP NERFED IT. You know why because when they come back to empire they want to solo haul, solo mission, solo travel.

And they couldn't handle solo small group pvp'rs blowing them up. So yes as a solo player I had a very large impact on EvE.

Also throughout my EvE career I have solo war decced large corps and alliances. I have introduced many Care Bears to pvp and have quite a few thank me for it because it gave them the impetus to switch from care bearing to pirating, null and starting their own empire war careers. At the end of my wars I'd usually give the ones who fought back or were nice people a T3 or something.

I have also run a pvp comp in game and always go into help to assist people.

Saying we merely whine and don't contribute is not true at all.







CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Six Six Six
Doomheim
#180 - 2013-05-20 14:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
Infinity Ziona wrote:

it's amusing reading all the comments such as soloers are whiners and no one cares about soloers or soloers don't contribute to the game.




Actually I find it kind of a dull read, it's the same old crap.


The first 2 posts in this thread sum up fairly well why people solo in MMOs.


Unfortunately MMO companies sometimes see this as a problem and try to get the solo group to mix in more with the rest of the community, which of course never works.