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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#581 - 2013-02-26 08:06:31 UTC
I rather like the idea of using the EVE-Dust connection and the Dust Battleserver connection to make avatar gameplay possible. Simple, easy, already has the hardware and infrastructure, (and much of the code), in place as far as I can tell.
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Justin Cody
War Firm
#582 - 2013-02-26 08:15:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Cody
This is how I picture Team Avatar simulating even more character creator content for the EVA stuff and of course making us more beautiful.

enjoy!

MAKEUP

new EVE minigame :-P
Ai Shun
#583 - 2013-02-26 08:16:12 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
WiS has so much potential for the EvE community.


It has potential for the EVE Universe. Generally the people that are big pushers for WiS are more ... shall we say ... misaligned with EVE as a concept. I still believe the highest value can be seen when WiS is a separate, but integrated game client with it's own development team, revenue stream, etc. Similarly executed to Dust.

I have (had, until for some strange reason it was locked) what I thought was a well thought out suggestion thread on how to approach it. Listed in my signature if you're interested in reading it.
Justin Cody
War Firm
#584 - 2013-02-26 08:17:19 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
WiS has so much potential for the EvE community.


It has potential for the EVE Universe. Generally the people that are big pushers for WiS are more ... shall we say ... misaligned with EVE as a concept. I still believe the highest value can be seen when WiS is a separate, but integrated game client with it's own development team, revenue stream, etc. Similarly executed to Dust.

I have (had, until for some strange reason it was locked) what I thought was a well thought out suggestion thread on how to approach it. Listed in my signature if you're interested in reading it.



You mean World of Darkness?
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#585 - 2013-02-26 11:16:37 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
i thought it's been established that a bunch of dudes dressing up emoting each other makes dogshite for content, and just lol plain wrong.


Oh, you worked a new avatar. no more a cute little girl but a big thought macho? So sweet.
Evandra
Surfer des Sandwurms
#586 - 2013-02-26 12:04:33 UTC
mechtech wrote:
I'd really love nothing more than to see some WiS progress as well (I mean a small, capable team working in the background on it, with no public demos or release dates to screw things up like Incarna.

That said, this new idea in the OP is way too much fluff... I mean, corp meeting rooms, public stations where you can walk around and go to a bar, and a poker room/minigames/gambling stuff. That's all that's needed for WiS. Introduce those features and wrap it up. Maybe a few years down the line add some shinies like ship bridges or visiting with the Dusties, but we don't need actual avatar gameplay.


couldn't agree more with the part of a small team to keep working on it but why wouldn't you want real gameplay out of it ? you saw where no gameplay got WiS ? if WiS would have been what is described here team avatar would be in full charge and strenghened instead of disbanded.

whatever ppl say nowadays expansions without gameplay made the problems ccp was facing not WiS as a new addition to eve... as long most folks are working on FiS a decent team for WiS shouldn't be a problem. the first attempt with neglecting FiS for other games and WiS without gameplay surely wasn't that good either :P

it always has to be the other way round...bring in gameplay first and add fluff over time. i bet no matter which game mechanic (as long it should be fundamental & worth an expansion) or which game it will fail the other way round :P
Arduemont
The State of War.
#587 - 2013-02-26 12:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Ai Shun wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
WiS has so much potential for the EvE community.


It has potential for the EVE Universe. Generally the people that are big pushers for WiS are more ... shall we say ... misaligned with EVE as a concept. I still believe the highest value can be seen when WiS is a separate, but integrated game client with it's own development team, revenue stream, etc. Similarly executed to Dust.

I have (had, until for some strange reason it was locked) what I thought was a well thought out suggestion thread on how to approach it. Listed in my signature if you're interested in reading it.


Personally, and I know I am not alone, I would much prefer any WiS content to be in the same client. Unless your talking about using dust as a platform Eve really doesn't need any extra clients linking with it to complicate matters. Two clients interacting in one universe is ground breaking enough for the time being thanks. Also, frankly I want to have access to any WiS gameplay, and I don't have a PS3.

As for big pushers of WiS being misaligned with "Eve as a concept", would you kindly explain what makes me misaligned with Eve as a concept? In case you need some info on me to decide... I am a small gang and solo PvPer, and casual CEO of a merc corp, who has an industry alt. I have suicide ganked, I have issued wars and been on the defending side with carebears, I've run incursions, WH sites, an industry corp, lived in Sov and NPC null where I've FCed carrier kills and small stuff, been in gangs of various sizes etc. To cut it short, I have tried most of the core gameplay styles and I still play in what most people would call the stereotypical Eve play style.

Most of the people posting here are "misaligned with eve as a concept", because very few have experienced great variation in their gameplay. Most people find an area of Eve they are happy with and stick to it. Which is why you get such varying opinion.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Hakan MacTrew
MUTED VOID
#588 - 2013-02-26 12:27:58 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
WiS has so much potential for the EvE community.


It has potential for the EVE Universe. Generally the people that are big pushers for WiS are more ... shall we say ... misaligned with EVE as a concept. I still believe the highest value can be seen when WiS is a separate, but integrated game client with it's own development team, revenue stream, etc. Similarly executed to Dust.

I have (had, until for some strange reason it was locked) what I thought was a well thought out suggestion thread on how to approach it. Listed in my signature if you're interested in reading it.

I have no problem with WiS working in a separate client, to an extent.

I want to be able to use the characters I use in EvE and I want all their financial accounts inventories to be accessible. These requirements are fundamental to me and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#589 - 2013-02-26 13:25:26 UTC
Well since the necro apparently is okay, I'll give my opinion.

I don't want them to put WiS in any part of the game outside of stations. If I can't explore in a ship, I don't want to do it. If I have to walk around in some kind of space hulk to complete a mission, I don't want to do it.

I can see the merit of walking in stations. But the moment it spills over to anywhere else I will be done.
Winters Chill
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#590 - 2013-02-26 14:00:40 UTC
Whim Aqayn wrote:
Well since the necro apparently is okay, I'll give my opinion.

I don't want them to put WiS in any part of the game outside of stations. If I can't explore in a ship, I don't want to do it. If I have to walk around in some kind of space hulk to complete a mission, I don't want to do it.

I can see the merit of walking in stations. But the moment it spills over to anywhere else I will be done.


I do.

However there is a glaring lore hole.

Presumably there will be lots of development time on making avatar run, climb, jump etc and the space suits.

Why would pod pilots do that? Apparently we are industrial geniuses who can build capital ships in automated factories. Why would they just stick arms on a camera drone and send it inside?

Why risk a painful death when a drone is easy to manifacture and expendable?

That being said, I really want avatar gameplay expanded, we have them now, lets do something with them.
Hakan MacTrew
MUTED VOID
#591 - 2013-02-26 14:51:48 UTC
Winters Chill wrote:
Why would pod pilots do that? Apparently we are industrial geniuses who can build capital ships in automated factories. Why would they just stick arms on a camera drone and send it inside?

Why risk a painful death when a drone is easy to manifacture and expendable?

Covered:
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Right now we’re thinking that these abandoned structures are so dangerous, radioactive and toxic, that they can only be entered with special suits. Obviously with access to clones you aren’t worried about radiation and long term health effects of hazardous lifestyles. You probably all smoke and eat lots of bacon as well and besides robots won’t survive the violent EM fields. Robot electronics would toast, thus only teams using gear that involves crude electronics, like found in EM resistant military hardware can go in and
recover the technology that lies within.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#592 - 2013-02-26 14:54:26 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
WiS has so much potential for the EvE community.


It has potential for the EVE Universe. Generally the people that are big pushers for WiS are more ... shall we say ... misaligned with EVE as a concept. I still believe the highest value can be seen when WiS is a separate, but integrated game client with it's own development team, revenue stream, etc. Similarly executed to Dust.

I have (had, until for some strange reason it was locked) what I thought was a well thought out suggestion thread on how to approach it. Listed in my signature if you're interested in reading it.


Asking for a fourth game was pretty cunning as a way to troll, but not really effective way to get alternate gameplay for those "misaligned" to the game.

Not all hope is lost as CCP just figured that *maybe* most players in EVE don't play the way they are supposed to play it, and so they leave in a silent but continuous stream which new recruits no longer can balance out. I am waiting to see how Fanfest turns and wether CCP is willing to recognise that *maybe* soloers/cauals are a majority of their players.

Those would not be good news for WiS (specially as WiS was turned in the last prototype into yet another absurdly time consuming massive gang activity, and even worst, it would be the mother of all Jesus features), but i am welcoming anything that means that I can put to use the time and money I invested in this game already.

Avatar customization & gameplay was a easy way with plenty of potential to not thread on FiS's premises, but if CCP wants to pull the harder trick and implement casual/solo friendly FiS content, I will give it a try nonetheless...
Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#593 - 2013-02-26 15:29:08 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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That's why CCP were forced to postpone WiS for the time being, because people want WiS so dearly... Wait, that doesn't make sense.
They were forced to postpoone WiS because the CASUAL MAJORITY wanted more eye candy... no... no, that's not it either.

I agree with Ai Shun. If you want avatar based content go play another game. You aren't going to get it here, because that's how we like it.
RAP ACTION HERO
#594 - 2013-02-26 15:46:49 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
WiS has so much potential for the EvE community.


It has potential for the EVE Universe. Generally the people that are big pushers for WiS are more ... shall we say ... misaligned with EVE as a concept. I still believe the highest value can be seen when WiS is a separate, but integrated game client with it's own development team, revenue stream, etc. Similarly executed to Dust.

I have (had, until for some strange reason it was locked) what I thought was a well thought out suggestion thread on how to approach it. Listed in my signature if you're interested in reading it.


Asking for a fourth game was pretty cunning as a way to troll, but not really effective way to get alternate gameplay for those "misaligned" to the game.

Not all hope is lost as CCP just figured that *maybe* most players in EVE don't play the way they are supposed to play it, and so they leave in a silent but continuous stream which new recruits no longer can balance out. I am waiting to see how Fanfest turns and wether CCP is willing to recognise that *maybe* soloers/cauals are a majority of their players.

Those would not be good news for WiS (specially as WiS was turned in the last prototype into yet another absurdly time consuming massive gang activity, and even worst, it would be the mother of all Jesus features), but i am welcoming anything that means that I can put to use the time and money I invested in this game already.

Avatar customization & gameplay was a easy way with plenty of potential to not thread on FiS's premises, but if CCP wants to pull the harder trick and implement casual/solo friendly FiS content, I will give it a try nonetheless...

why are you still subbed?

vitoc erryday

Macmuelli
No Star Michellin but Chef Foundation
#595 - 2013-02-26 16:04:23 UTC
I personal hope, this will be the first steps , which brings us later into the szenario of conquering other pilots ships. Where probally ship crews would have a great role to protect against intruders. Or there is a chance , kidnapping some of the crew members, which have significant penaltys for the pod pilot, except if he is not stopping them.

The adventage of eve is the open space, a great place for playing with the imagination.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#596 - 2013-02-26 16:25:18 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
a while back TA hinted at prototypes of "space hulk survival horror" gameplay and some barbie lover was all whiney about it, cus it didn't have emoting.

You really are hung up on emoting.

Tell you what, no emoting in WiS. Problem solved?

And please, just answer the two questions.



He can,t ,whining about emoting and barbie obsessions are the only thing they can come up with

i just keep on seeing emoters want to emote dogshite suggestions?


Yes and instead actually reading the ideas and wishes these people put in here ,the only thing your little brain can come up with is the same routine over and over

R.S.I2014

RAP ACTION HERO
#597 - 2013-02-26 17:25:44 UTC  |  Edited by: RAP ACTION HERO
yeah like i want to like, open a bar or corp room, so like um we can like meet like face to face, or i want my pleasure hub, can i get new furniture in my cq from space ikea, can i have pets, can i invite my special friend so just two of us can emote each other in our cq since we don't have multiple avatar gameplay yet, can i get some new pants, oh god wis is shelved, goodbye eve i am unsubbing, but i won't

that about sums up the 99% of dogshite ideas i've seen, so seriously wait for the devblog and stop posting more bad ideas. except for the one where wis is quarantined in another client, with a big "freaks go here" sign.

oh and lol drone clones and complex /dance,

vitoc erryday

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#598 - 2013-02-26 18:12:58 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
why are you still subbed?


Maybe he just "found an old PLEX" again on a different account.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#599 - 2013-02-26 18:17:15 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
yeah like i want to like, open a bar or corp room, so like um we can like meet like face to face, or i want my pleasure hub, can i get new furniture in my cq from space ikea, can i have pets, can i invite my special friend so just two of us can emote each other in our cq since we don't have multiple avatar gameplay yet, can i get some new pants, oh god wis is shelved, goodbye eve i am unsubbing, but i won't

that about sums up the 99% of dogshite ideas i've seen, so seriously wait for the devblog and stop posting more bad ideas. except for the one where wis is quarantined in another client, with a big "freaks go here" sign.

oh and lol drone clones and complex /dance,




So people who want the door open are freaks ?
ok ,then i am a freak.
But still your little brain could not keep the word emoting out of 1 of your replies.

You see , i am not a fan of DUST and sometimes i make that clear.
But you don,t see me over and over again with the same words in a discussion thread involving DUST,bc i know a lot of people like the idea of DUST and EvE and they are entitled to their opinion.
Your little brain can,t understand that other people can like things you and the other anti WIS whiners don,t like.
If you can add something to this discussion ,be my guest or just keep making a fool of yourself by shouting the same crap.
Let the WIS wanters discuss WIS ,like i let the planetshooters do their discussion



R.S.I2014

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#600 - 2013-02-26 18:25:34 UTC
Can we call WiS for what it is and call it meat spinning?

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