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New NPC AI, how about no?

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OldWolf69
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#81 - 2012-12-19 13:29:31 UTC
New Rat AI isn't here for any to us to like. It's here for many of us to NOT do lvl4's AFK. Sry for "the Drone loving Gallentes", wich were more than happy to see missiles nerfd, and now have a taste of nerf too. There's also a game called Farmville or something, someplace else... true, it is in a "far, far galaxy".
Mund Richard
#82 - 2012-12-19 13:43:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
OldWolf69 wrote:
New Rat AI isn't here for any to us to like. It's here for many of us to NOT do lvl4's AFK. Sry for "the Drone loving Gallentes", wich were more than happy to see missiles nerfd, and now have a taste of nerf too. There's also a game called Farmville or something, someplace else... true, it is in a "far, far galaxy".

You do realise... that apart from heavies, the rest of the missiles were buffed this patch, and accidentally I - as a Gallente - approved of more than one of those for instance (the guided/unguided nonsense was silly). Heck, I'm still waiting for a cruise missile buff.
That quite a few complain with non-drone battleships, being unable to kill frigates efficiently,
and that the RR/spider domi setup, even according to CCP FoxFour, is having an easier time than ever before?

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#83 - 2012-12-19 15:13:10 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
New Rat AI isn't here for any to us to like. It's here for many of us to NOT do lvl4's AFK. Sry for "the Drone loving Gallentes", wich were more than happy to see missiles nerfd, and now have a taste of nerf too. There's also a game called Farmville or something, someplace else... true, it is in a "far, far galaxy".

You do realise... that apart from heavies, the rest of the missiles were buffed this patch, and accidentally I - as a Gallente - approved of more than one of those for instance (the guided/unguided nonsense was silly). Heck, I'm still waiting for a cruise missile buff.
That quite a few complain with non-drone battleships, being unable to kill frigates efficiently,
and that the RR/spider domi setup, even according to CCP FoxFour, is having an easier time than ever before?


Do you realise... this missile "buff" did nothing.
Since new TD madness I started using Golem again.
You know, 1 year ago Golem was the worst marauder and it's still the worst.

Now, CCP wants to introduce new mods for missiles, like Tracking Computer.
The coolest thing about it is TDs are going to affect missiles!
Just great, the worst weapon system is going to be useless.

Guns still outperform missiles on every aspect.
Missile buff did nothing. Period.

Whatever.

Rinnve Elennean
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-12-19 15:17:24 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
Sry for "the Drone loving Gallentes", wich were more than happy to see missiles nerfd, and now have a taste of nerf too.


Use MJD, Luke!

[Dominix Navy Issue, MJD lvl4 sniper]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Micro Jump Drive

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Iron Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Iron Charge L

Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Ionic Field Projector I


Bouncer II x5
Garde II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x5

Not full AFK, but semi-afk very relaxed and enjoyable lvl4 farming setup. (It is ofc possible for turret ships, but I don't have T2 large turrets so didn't tried that.)

It's kind of a buff, actually. Puff!... and all sh!t is 100km away. Wonderful!
Silber Zidayn
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-12-19 15:20:42 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=74000

Dec 19
NPC

NPCs will now only target drones in their size category.
Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above.
Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above.
Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.

Dec 17
NPCs

The ‘Unknown’ faction will no longer show up on the Standings tab of the character sheet.
NPCs will now respect their authored threat ranges so the full room will not aggro a player on entering the dungeon.
Corrected the chance percentage that an enemy NPC will use tracking disruption on a player's ship.
Mund Richard
#86 - 2012-12-19 15:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Silber Zidayn wrote:
NPCs will now only target drones in their size category.
Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above.
Now if only someone explained to me why a light drone is appropriate target for an elite cruiser. Roll

But yes, things are getting dumbed down, instead of being fine-tuned, because that's easier to do. Roll

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#87 - 2012-12-19 16:15:37 UTC
Silber Zidayn wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=74000

Dec 19
NPC

NPCs will now only target drones in their size category.
Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above.
Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above.
Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.



Great. Let's make the NPC AI even more hateful on drones Cry
Mund Richard
#88 - 2012-12-19 16:21:18 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Great. Let's make the NPC AI even more hateful on drones Cry


What they did does help.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#89 - 2012-12-20 13:18:47 UTC
Changes has been made to the drone hate, I would appreciate some feedback on it. But Im still daily bumping the topic, because I believe this game is played by its players and not by devs who force changes on their costumers. Im still holding that not aggressive ships, such as LOGISTICS shouldnt be on the aggro palette, since they are not capable of making harm. Forcing people who used logistics as their second accounts into completely changing their setup is rude. If a ship isnt fitted with damage modules it shouldnt get agro, or make it like in the drone case. So that only frigates and cruisers shoot the logistic ships, because the amount of damage is manageable with an active tanked solo logistc, but not a full pocket agro.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#90 - 2012-12-20 14:06:43 UTC
logi is the biggest threat, I think. so don't feel sorry for my logi.. it doesn't need pity nor does it feel sorry for NPC's. it's the biggest beast in the fleet

plus it target paints

http://i.imgur.com/BfH48.jpg
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#91 - 2012-12-20 14:21:54 UTC
Send that logi in the field solo without any remote assistance, and see for yourself tat it needs pity.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#92 - 2012-12-20 15:29:14 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#93 - 2012-12-21 11:06:41 UTC
daily bump
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#94 - 2012-12-22 19:38:21 UTC
another bump for even more change!
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#95 - 2012-12-23 12:25:13 UTC
I wonder if there was any benefit for the pilots with these new changes? Did it change something bad tinto something good? Or it was only a good for nothing change forced on us in the spirit of dictatorships?
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#96 - 2012-12-24 11:58:35 UTC
i wonder how many years do i need to get this going in order to get what i want. Daily bump.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-12-24 13:13:05 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Onwards to WH space, maybe there shall be enough isk/hour for the daily oral pleasure with the new npc AI. My only hope remains that maybe goonswarm doesnt like the new changes, that will do the trick to change them back/again. Force me out of my drone ships, ONWARDS TO TENGULANDIA!


Sleepers have old AI
old Ai is hard, you wont like it.







btw theres free Tritanium handed out with every Rookie Ship, your ISK problems are over.
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#98 - 2012-12-24 13:17:30 UTC
I dont have isk problems, I want changes because i think they are unfair and fruitless.
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#99 - 2012-12-25 10:21:35 UTC
lol ive got 42 likes in the past 24 hours, thanks for that. Anyways daily bump for the logistics, remote repping and drone lifes.
Makre
Heodener
#100 - 2012-12-25 16:47:39 UTC
I agree, Drones boats should be able to use drones. I forget who said it but old aggro tables on missions, but you have to command drones to attack each target... afk droning fixed. Drone boats still viable, teaming -up viable