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New NPC AI, how about no?

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Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#121 - 2013-01-01 13:28:07 UTC
I'm with ya.
The new NPC AI is for the loose. It only brings more frustration then challenging.

Whatever.

ggnoreTT
Epicentre Syndicate
The Singularity.
#122 - 2013-01-01 13:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ggnoreTT
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Is the majority of eve glad with the new NPC AI or not? Do i represent the many or the less? I wonder ... anyways this is a daily bump.

As someone who does plexing in low sec for a living with 4 drone boats I can't help but feel that CCP gave a finger to the drone users. As I pay cash I don't need to farm so much,only for PvP. I can tell you for sure one thing though, if I was running missions for a living this change would be enough reason to unsub my chars. I feel sorry for HS bears(drone users). So much effort for sh*t reward.
Skurga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2013-01-01 13:53:18 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Is the majority of eve glad with the new NPC AI or not? Do i represent the many or the less? I wonder ... anyways this is a daily bump.


There are a lot of different complains about the new AI. In some parts I like the new AI and in some other I'm not quite sure yet:

- The complains about the drone attacking "issue" is somewhat overstated in my opinion. Nothing you won't be able to handle with drone durability and some attention. Exaggerated: Missions can be boring and to pay attention on your drones is at least something more you have to care about ;-) Perhaps most of the complains about the AI attacking the drones cut across with the "tracking disruption issue". Thats really annoying, though and needs to be fixed asap ;-)

- The complains about Veterans not be able to take new players with them in lvl4s is something I'm not quite sure with. In my opinion the new AI behaves more naturally now, but I understand the complains about that point.

- In pvp it seems legit, that the attacking player has a chance rats switch their target to him. Perhaps it needs a little tweaking. It doesn't seem to feel naturally when all AI switch to the attacking player immediately (do they really?).

-tl;dr-
All in all I like the new AI changes. Perhaps it needs a little tweaking here and there, though.
-/tl;dr-






Unoob Udumb
Doomheim
#124 - 2013-01-01 15:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Unoob Udumb
Skurga wrote:
- The complains about the drone attacking "issue" is somewhat overstated in my opinion. Nothing you won't be able to handle with drone durability and some attention. Exaggerated: Missions can be boring and to pay attention on your drones is at least something more you have to care about ;-)


You're wrong. Even if you send your light drones 6-7km away, watch carefully their health bars, and recall them as soon as the NPCs are yellow-boxing you (instead of red) or your drones take damage, a few elite frigates are enough to kill one of them before he's able to get back to your bay (because that drone is webbed and is slow at hell).

Skurga wrote:
-tl;dr-
All in all I like the new AI changes. Perhaps it needs a little tweaking here and there, though.
-/tl;dr-


Yes. A simple tweaking would be to make so the NPCs don't web/scramble drones.
Sgt LoveDragon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2013-01-01 16:00:01 UTC
Skurga wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Is the majority of eve glad with the new NPC AI or not? Do i represent the many or the less? I wonder ... anyways this is a daily bump.




........- The complains about the drone attacking "issue" is somewhat overstated in my opinion. Nothing you won't be able to handle with drone durability and some attention.....








Ive posted several times about light and medium drones beginning to die within 10seconds of deployment in level 5's, Is this overstating ? I don't understand. How are drones even useful with this kind of micromanagement? Not to mention Dscanning every 3 seconds.

Ive been shooting elite frigates now with cruise missiles because its unfortunatly faster and cheaper than the other options.
Mund Richard
#126 - 2013-01-01 16:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Skurga wrote:
- The complains about the drone attacking "issue" is somewhat overstated in my opinion. Nothing you won't be able to handle with drone durability and some attention. Exaggerated: Missions can be boring and to pay attention on your drones is at least something more you have to care about ;-) Perhaps most of the complains about the AI attacking the drones cut across with the "tracking disruption issue". Thats really annoying, though and needs to be fixed asap ;-)
Drone durability doesn't necessary save a drone when *unnerfed* elite tackling frigs swap over, and everything in the room that is allowed to shoot it, if it's well outside scooping range.

Coincidentally, elite tackling frigs are allowed to shoot every drone type, and if you are in a BS/Carrier, they will.

After you get 3 *NPC* webs on you, how much of your original speed do you keep?
I remember one of my lights going under 50m/s. Was out at 10km.
Take a guess if it made it back. Roll

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Skurga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2013-01-01 16:54:11 UTC
First let me lay stress this is my personal experience and I'm not claiming I'm exclusively right. :-) But there is only a slender chance I get into such situations you descripe (except I'am under heavy TD ;-)). Frigs are my first targets, before they get into heavy transversal: Scrams und Webs first. When something got under my guns my drones still are able to handle it, without beeing destroyed/instapopped.

I refer to lvl 4 Missions, though...but when you read the topics, that seems for me the part of the game, where most complains come from and that isn't simply true for me.



Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#128 - 2013-01-01 17:24:43 UTC
Skurga wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Is the majority of eve glad with the new NPC AI or not? Do i represent the many or the less? I wonder ... anyways this is a daily bump.


There are a lot of different complains about the new AI. In some parts I like the new AI and in some other I'm not quite sure yet:

- In pvp it seems legit, that the attacking player has a chance rats switch their target to him. Perhaps it needs a little tweaking. It doesn't seem to feel naturally when all AI switch to the attacking player immediately (do they really?).

-/tl;dr-








Yes its instant lock and agro when i land in belt, plus Ewar, plus dps from the player.

Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"

ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#129 - 2013-01-01 17:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Flidais Asagiri
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
to be honest, i read your comments 3 times a row and couldnt decipher what they meant to be. But anyways daily bump for my mission to change npc AI, remote repair shouldnt be generating agro from NPC!



Hello

Please be careful with this kind of posting as it comes very close to vilotatin rule Rule 12: Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited.

...and you guys thought we only hang out in noob channels and the Character Bazaar. Keep it civil and on topic please.

ISD Flidais Asagiri Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#130 - 2013-01-02 08:53:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Caldari Citizen20121206
Thank you all for the valuable posts you made, i wouldnt dare to respond because the eye of the isd and probably ccp is upon us. I dont see how responding to a post is violating the spamming rule, but rest assured I will follow the rules. This has nothing to do with the main topic, that there is a community in eve that is struggling against the npc AI changes. We all have different perspective of the change as far as I can see, but we all agree to the same thing: We dont like these changes! Make it better, make it controllable or change it back. Simple as that.
Paskis Robinson
Black Eagles.
#131 - 2013-01-02 09:43:08 UTC
It wouldn't be so bad if my own freaking drones didn't have ADHD. They still to this day (despite I don't know how many patch notes saying yay we fixed drone AI) have an entirely different idea of what 'focus fire' means to what I, my dictionary, and everyone else who speaks English thinks 'focus fire' means!?
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#132 - 2013-01-02 10:27:31 UTC
ISD Flidais Asagiri wrote:
...and you guys thought we only hang out in noob channels and the Character Bazaar.


Sure we did!

Whatever.

Paskis Robinson
Black Eagles.
#133 - 2013-01-02 22:35:49 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
ISD Flidais Asagiri wrote:
...and you guys thought we only hang out in noob channels and the Character Bazaar.


Sure we did!


It's the only evidence I've seen yet that anyone vaguely affiliated with CCP is even looking at the AI threads.
Mund Richard
#134 - 2013-01-02 22:38:01 UTC
Paskis Robinson wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
ISD Flidais Asagiri wrote:
...and you guys thought we only hang out in noob channels and the Character Bazaar.
Sure we did!
It's the only evidence I've seen yet that anyone vaguely affiliated with CCP is even looking at the AI threads.

Another thread had another ISD member post a "play nice guys, or else" in it as well I think, so there are TWO evidences! Roll

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#135 - 2013-01-02 23:44:44 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Paskis Robinson wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
ISD Flidais Asagiri wrote:
...and you guys thought we only hang out in noob channels and the Character Bazaar.
Sure we did!
It's the only evidence I've seen yet that anyone vaguely affiliated with CCP is even looking at the AI threads.

Another thread had another ISD member post a "play nice guys, or else" in it as well I think, so there are TWO evidences! Roll


Hey that's great! One more will make it three.
When 3rd post happends lasers will be shooting rainbows!

Whatever.

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#136 - 2013-01-03 11:46:05 UTC
Daily bump, to be honest I totally lost all will to live in 0.0. In the past month i only logged in to cta and to test my ideas for the new npc ai. I think this retribution ai change is killing my game experience slowly but surely. Cry
Mund Richard
#137 - 2013-01-03 14:36:42 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
to be honest I totally lost all will to live in 0.0. In the past month i only logged in to cta and to test my ideas for the new npc ai. I think this retribution ai change is killing my game experience slowly but surely. Cry

To be honest, living in 0.0 I didn't have much trouble with the new AI, since my main targets are bountiful battleship sites and frigs rarely get within range, so sentries all the way, and yet I don't really feel like logging in.

Problem could be elsewhere, and this being just another straw.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#138 - 2013-01-03 20:35:43 UTC
is running 0.0 deadspace complexes with a solo ishtar dead now?

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Never forget.

Mund Richard
#139 - 2013-01-03 21:28:24 UTC
Batelle wrote:
is running 0.0 deadspace complexes with a solo ishtar dead now?

Go and try for yourself. Twisted

Joke aside, should work, maybe even better than with a battleship since your sig is closer to that of your drones.
On the other hand, you might need more spares, and can't just grab agro deploy sentries and then just speedtank away, fitting EWAR may be harder, and your guns do low dps for trying to keep agro (if that helps at all).

Really, try it and share.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#140 - 2013-01-04 12:21:39 UTC
Daily bump, ai changes are too extreme. CCP should adapt to the players!