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New NPC AI, how about no?

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Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#101 - 2012-12-25 19:26:20 UTC
Its funny but I double checked it, in less then 20 days in wormhole without much experience of how to make money in it, we made more than 30 billion!! You read that right, its not a miscalculation and it cost us ( 3 players with 5-6 alts total) daily 1-2 hours!!! I mean hairy balls of gods, its a lot more easier than 0.0 ratting and DED plexing and it pays ten times more within less time. Not to mention that in 0.0 you can make tremendous money compared to high sec. The only risk (if you do everything right) that some corp who's hunting in the wormholes, opens a wormhole to yours and shoots you but the chances of that are low and if it shoots us, we will still have more than enough money to reimburst our lost ships.


So my advice: leave ratting and go to wormholes, dont be content with the crap ISK that you can get sweating from the new AI!

This feels like a bad joke from ccp... lol
OldWolf69
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#102 - 2012-12-26 02:56:10 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
New Rat AI isn't here for any to us to like. It's here for many of us to NOT do lvl4's AFK. Sry for "the Drone loving Gallentes", wich were more than happy to see missiles nerfd, and now have a taste of nerf too. There's also a game called Farmville or something, someplace else... true, it is in a "far, far galaxy".

You do realise... that apart from heavies, the rest of the missiles were buffed this patch, and accidentally I - as a Gallente - approved of more than one of those for instance (the guided/unguided nonsense was silly). Heck, I'm still waiting for a cruise missile buff.
That quite a few complain with non-drone battleships, being unable to kill frigates efficiently,
and that the RR/spider domi setup, even according to CCP FoxFour, is having an easier time than ever before?

Sir, did you ever try to use HAM's in missions? Not to tell that cruise missiles still suck. And torps... As usual, what's on paper does not match the in game reality. And it sucks. But since there's a paper where stats can be written...."the logs show nothing".
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#103 - 2012-12-26 18:49:05 UTC
remote repairs and remote shield boosting shouldnt generate threat, otherwise daily bump
Mund Richard
#104 - 2012-12-26 22:13:16 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
Sir, did you ever try to use HAM's in missions? Not to tell that cruise missiles still suck. And torps... As usual, what's on paper does not match the in game reality. And it sucks. But since there's a paper where stats can be written...."the logs show nothing".
Dear sir,
I use cruise on a Raven, when I just want to be lazy and do missions while chatting without bothering about transversal or falloff, it's the new semi-afk thing now that drones are shot at.
Do note, not saying that Cruise Missiles couldn't use a buff.

Torps... yupp, still Golem/SB plaything, but there it got better somewhat.
HAMs...
Compared to my friend's blaster Proteus (which now needs a web or TP to keep drones alive), a HAM Tengu I'd think it ain't really worse (also using a TP) as far as either range or damage goes.
But you are right, it's a wild guess on my part.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#105 - 2012-12-27 09:04:35 UTC
Daily bump for controllable threat, and better group pve experience!
L0rdF1end
Gang Bang You're Dead
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#106 - 2012-12-27 11:56:47 UTC
It certainly sucks that I spent ages training a setup to run specific sites which now no longer works.
Now need to reskill and reship to do the complexes I want.

Retribution pathc actually destroyed everyhting I enjoyed in Eve..

The hunt for Officers/Faction after DT, was a fun mechanic whether intended or not, It actually created traffic and target opportunities in my local area - Not any more.

Ganking in Empire needs rethinking due to the changes. Something I enjoyed but can no longer do they way I was doing it.

Plexing with 2 accounts, DPS/logi now pretty much impossible to run the higher end plexes.

Everything I enjoyed is now gone. :(

amurder Hakomairos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-12-27 15:54:56 UTC
L0rdF1end wrote:
It certainly sucks that I spent ages training a setup to run specific sites which now no longer works.
Now need to reskill and reship to do the complexes I want.

Retribution pathc actually destroyed everyhting I enjoyed in Eve..

The hunt for Officers/Faction after DT, was a fun mechanic whether intended or not, It actually created traffic and target opportunities in my local area - Not any more.

Ganking in Empire needs rethinking due to the changes. Something I enjoyed but can no longer do they way I was doing it.

Plexing with 2 accounts, DPS/logi now pretty much impossible to run the higher end plexes.

Everything I enjoyed is now gone. :(




This.

At least I can still run anoms I guess because the rats seem to hate the Machariel enough that I haven't had issued with it or my Navy Domis drones being aggroed. But this is far less fun to me than running plexes was.
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#108 - 2012-12-28 10:24:52 UTC
daily effort to bring back controllable order into 0.0 exploration
Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-12-28 11:13:08 UTC
Actually, more cry babies - less competition, and more room for real tough guys.

I'd love complexes to be soloable, without dual boxing... i don't see how plexes can be a group activity, finding one is hard, but getting a dummy team mate and not getting ganked is tripple RISK

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again

Ginger Barbarella
#110 - 2012-12-28 14:39:09 UTC
Does anyone else find it ironic how much people cry when NPCs *begin* to act a bit more capsuleer-like?!?!?!? Personally, I kinda like it. Sure, I can't friggin' skate by on missions anymore, can't AFK with my drone boats, but hey... This ain't Hello Kitty. Cool

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#111 - 2012-12-28 16:19:27 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Actually, more cry babies - less competition, and more room for real tough guys.

I'd love complexes to be soloable, without dual boxing... i don't see how plexes can be a group activity, finding one is hard, but getting a dummy team mate and not getting ganked is tripple RISK




i dont have a problem with dual boxing, i have a problem because dual boxing is not enoug for the DED sites in 0.0 lol. You misunderstood me. Or you lie, because you cant complete a 6/10, 8/10, 10/10 without at least dual logis and 2 more dps pilots, or with triple boxing 3 bill cost ships.
OldWolf69
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#112 - 2012-12-29 04:02:35 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Opertone wrote:
Actually, more cry babies - less competition, and more room for real tough guys.

I'd love complexes to be soloable, without dual boxing... i don't see how plexes can be a group activity, finding one is hard, but getting a dummy team mate and not getting ganked is tripple RISK




i dont have a problem with dual boxing, i have a problem because dual boxing is not enoug for the DED sites in 0.0 lol. You misunderstood me. Or you lie, because you cant complete a 6/10, 8/10, 10/10 without at least dual logis and 2 more dps pilots, or with triple boxing 3 bill cost ships.

This pretty inexact. 2 tengus still can do a Maze. Shure, loot might split in 2. Even being involved in nullseclife, and i still say making isk here is hilarious easy. A bit slower these days, but this won't matter much, for real. Except you driven by a rly sick grade of greed.
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#113 - 2012-12-29 10:24:59 UTC
Yes the tengu is an exception in mostly all matters, i beleive it is capable of tanking and dpsing a high end ded plex, but i fear only the tengu and golem have these quality to them. And still you need tremendous isk to fit a tengu such as youre talking about, since i assure you a simple tech 2 tengu is not able to withstand the full pocket agro of the said DED plexes. Otherwise, this is a daily bump too.
Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#114 - 2012-12-30 06:17:45 UTC
I would not call AI random target switching.
Anyway it ruined solo roaming, you should try now to tackle something in a belt and see the NPC ally
with the ratter, even if he was the one shooting them, how is that AI ? Even a kid can come
up with a better logic if you ask it, i would expect better from people beeing payed to work on such a project.

Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#115 - 2012-12-30 13:35:02 UTC
daily bump, btw did anyone notice that after patch the plex prices are going down? Is this because ppl can get less isk or is it only the more players that playing demanding more plex? I experienced much more players daily after retribution patch online.



Anyways make logi ships flyable solo in group pve, please its not capable of defending itself from large dps by itself. Its unfair!
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#116 - 2012-12-31 10:43:41 UTC
daily bump, yesterday i tackled a skiff in belt within 0.0 space. While my fleet mates catched up to us ive got shot down in my ceptor by the npcs that was shooting the skiff. Bright future for small tacklers i say...
Coyote Reach
Perkone
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-12-31 11:35:12 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
daily bump, yesterday i tackled a skiff in belt within 0.0 space. While my fleet mates catched up to us ive got shot down in my ceptor by the npcs that was shooting the skiff. Bright future for small tacklers i say...



Lol, serpentis need those minerals too i guess and sided with the miner :p .
Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#118 - 2012-12-31 13:23:37 UTC
100% of the time i went in a belt and tackled something, all the npcs switched instantly. I did adapt, but i do not
enjoy another change that promotes blobs and cripples the small gang. I know pilots that like to
solo roam with frigates and bombers, i doubt they will be able to have fun with this.

Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"

Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#119 - 2012-12-31 13:48:21 UTC
Samuel Wess wrote:
100% of the time i went in a belt and tackled something, all the npcs switched instantly. I did adapt, but i do not
enjoy another change that promotes blobs and cripples the small gang. I know pilots that like to
solo roam with frigates and bombers, i doubt they will be able to have fun with this.




agreed, i was one of those pilots
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#120 - 2013-01-01 12:22:39 UTC
Is the majority of eve glad with the new NPC AI or not? Do i represent the many or the less? I wonder ... anyways this is a daily bump.