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EVE Online: Retribution 1.0 Feedback

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#541 - 2012-12-05 12:04:03 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jack' Sparrow wrote:
The patch in general I'm quite happy with though, I'm not very pleased with the removal of the jukebox.

Based on CCP's dev blog they seem to think that built in jukebox's are a thing of the past. Shocked I disagree.
I suppose the next "intelligent" CCP move is:

- remove calculator

- remove notepad

- remove calendar.

After all, the Operating System comes with a calculator and notepad, and we can always use Outlook for better calendars right?
So, as a dev who loves to hate the EVE Calculator (name dropping CCP karkur here to try and have this post be caught by her RSS filters; we have a special EVE Calculator relationship...):

The jukebox had no extra EVE-specific functionality and as detailed in the devblog by CCP t0rfifrans (http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73569) then we felt it was better handled by implementing location-aware soundscapes. The music is on http://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/ and is distributed with the client and there are better players out there.

I feel the EVE Calculator in its current form should be removed, but I clearly see how it could be improved to have EVE-specific functionality. But is investing time and people in that work worth it to you, the players? Will it increase the players' experience in general beyond other things we could be implementing and improving?

The notepad is somewhere between the jukebox and the calculator, but I don't have strong opinions on it... Smile

The EVE Calendar clearly already has EVE-specific functionality and is a method for players to organise their work in ways that Outlook and Exchange can't (unless everyone in the corp/alliance had access to the same Exchange server).

The tool you don't mention is the EVE Browser. Should we invest time and people in upgrading that to the latest Chromium version, support HTML5 so you can stream YouTube videos, etc? Why would that be worth your time for you, the players? How would you want to prioritise it (above what and below what)?



You tell them!!!

No Worries

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#542 - 2012-12-05 12:04:34 UTC
Riazal wrote:

The tool you don't mention is the EVE Browser. Should we invest time and people in upgrading that to the latest Chromium version, support HTML5 so you can stream YouTube videos, etc? Why would that be worth your time for you, the players? How would you want to prioritise it (above what and below what)?



below puting my 20mil sp drone toon back to where he is not a waist of time/plex
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Your skills are not a waste of time. You're using them wrong.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Riazal
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#543 - 2012-12-05 12:07:24 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Riazal wrote:
a message to the new player

DO NOT START OUT WITH A GALLENTE TOON

guns are crap and DRONE BOATS are a waist of time..

i really feel sy for you..you will never make any real isk and and evan ratting the belts you will die...

a message to CCP

why do you put really nice things in game like officer mods revenant/Titans... then kill ppl's isk making so they are allways going to be out of reach... only ppl in this game that make any real isk are alliance leaders....what happend to giving moon goo to the grunt????
we spend months training to be the best at thing's then boom nerf.. wow did i just waist my hole year training 20mil.sp on drones on another account....feels like i did..


-1 ccp for another crazy nerf..


99% grind 1%fun



As a gallente myself with primarily gallente ships, I call your bluff. You're doing something wrong.


omg lol is all you can do it troll other ppl's posts...what a hero you are to ccp....
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#544 - 2012-12-05 12:09:56 UTC
Riazal wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Riazal wrote:
a message to the new player

DO NOT START OUT WITH A GALLENTE TOON

guns are crap and DRONE BOATS are a waist of time..

i really feel sy for you..you will never make any real isk and and evan ratting the belts you will die...

a message to CCP

why do you put really nice things in game like officer mods revenant/Titans... then kill ppl's isk making so they are allways going to be out of reach... only ppl in this game that make any real isk are alliance leaders....what happend to giving moon goo to the grunt????
we spend months training to be the best at thing's then boom nerf.. wow did i just waist my hole year training 20mil.sp on drones on another account....feels like i did..


-1 ccp for another crazy nerf..


99% grind 1%fun



As a gallente myself with primarily gallente ships, I call your bluff. You're doing something wrong.


omg lol is all you can do it troll other ppl's posts...what a hero you are to ccp....


This was not a troll. Yours is a troll. I offered a counter to your claims in the fact that I am having no troubles with a skilled gallente character, and hence am calling your bluff that gallente ships and drone boats are obsolete. Obviously, if someone is getting things done with it (me and many others) you are doing something wrong. Do you have an alternative to this, or just the ironic claim that I am trolling which is, by its very nature, a strawman-disguised troll.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Mila Strelok
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#545 - 2012-12-05 12:11:44 UTC
Kill that flag sounds please, are very annoying, every time I shoot it sounds, every 3 seconds....
Svipull
Republic Logistics II
#546 - 2012-12-05 12:12:34 UTC
Yesterday, immediately after patch some pilots started to put a bounty on everybody who is a long time supporter of your game in the German HILFE Channel. Why should I pay for that - in € - I mean ?
Riazal
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#547 - 2012-12-05 12:25:36 UTC
Remiel Pollard as you feel so strongly telling ppl there doing it wrong and trolling ppls posts..

i would and others would like to see your lv5/lv4 mission runing drone boat fit... pls link
Addicted2Space
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#548 - 2012-12-05 12:27:31 UTC
Am I the only one who experienced a FPS drop? I checked the video settings 3 times, they are the same as in Inferno.
Tan-whey Shan
#549 - 2012-12-05 12:35:15 UTC
Hey how about some t1 mining lasers for ice to go with the Venture, the noob's would be able to make a useful contribution to corp requirements that way

I have met some really nice people playing  Eve on line, unfortunately they are all dead. You want to live, be a scum bag! Welcome to the real world.

Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#550 - 2012-12-05 12:38:36 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
The tool you don't mention is the EVE Browser. Should we invest time and people in upgrading that to the latest Chromium version, support HTML5 so you can stream YouTube videos, etc? Why would that be worth our time for you, the players? How would you want to prioritise it (above what and below what)?


A lot of annoyances with the browser could be solved by a 'Open in external browser' option - so rather than loading up the internal browser, use good ol' ShellExecute to launch Chrome / Firefox / IE.

The in-game browser IMO is only any good for 2 things.

1. Mission reports on a single-screen setup.

2. The EVE Plugin.

Now personally, I think the EvE plugin is the only real thing the IGB has going for it, but it requires extension and a more passive modular role. For example, I think it would be nice to be able to run something akin to background tasks in it using its Javascript engine and an event driven model with the IGB Plugin.

But I'd settle for a right click > "Open in external browser" command on all URLs.

Also, who ever thought it was a good idea to make people go through that annoying add-link copy-paste deal in EVE mails etc really needs to be given a stern talking to. Selecting any valid link and hitting a "Make Link" should be more than adequate to get the job done in 99% of cases.
Dan' Ehr
Dark Underground Forces
#551 - 2012-12-05 12:40:20 UTC
It is now possible to drop items into containers, which are located in a corporate hangar array (or similar structure). It is still not possible to open containers in corporate hangar arrays.

Ugh


I'm sure there was some sort of reason for this that seemed sensible at the table, but this is just a little bit ********. How about allowing people to open their containers at will and maybe giving them the ability to password protect secures or selecting customized access rights like corporate hangars on ships.
Dan' Ehr
Dark Underground Forces
#552 - 2012-12-05 12:41:55 UTC
Re-Ta-Rd-Ed is a no-no word, really? o.O
Delta3000
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#553 - 2012-12-05 12:42:25 UTC
My feedback:

Flags:

- The frequency of the alert is too much. Please make it so there is a single sound to indicate the flag being raised and don't repeat it until the flag disappears and then is raised again. No indicator for every time the timer starts from 5 mins.

Targets:

- The icons on both the hud and brackets are too large. The huge circle around the in-space target does nothing to help comprehension of what's going on.

- The red dps meter is useless. Doesn't tell me any more than it has hit me recently. The first iteration of this was much better. Please use that.

- The hp bars are not consistent with your own. Make them the same - expand the coverage of ours, or reduce theirs to a sem-circle.

Sounds

- There's far too many gnashing sounds like rats in a roof with minmatar stations and at zero in minmatar ships. Give us some more clanking or industrial noises.

- Blood Raider rat sounds are wicked. Please keep them and expand them them further.

- Rail sounds from serp rats were great too. Really felt like a proper space battle fire-fight! Then it just became too noisy after the second belt. Not sure how to make this better.

Graphics:

- Megathron: The back and underside are looking good. You've killed the forks at the front. Please find a happier medium with the forks.

- Kronos: The flat, wide bridge makes it look a cheap working man's bunnet. The gold looks more like rust.

- Tempest: You've removed all rust-bucket fragility from it's appearance. It looks too sturdy. Give it back some fragility.

- Vargur: It looks like a seahorse.
SirLancelotlinc
The Merit Talon Equity Research Group
#554 - 2012-12-05 12:46:55 UTC
Client launcher not able to connect to the update server. "The server you are connecting to doesn't have a published update package." What gives?
Zedrich Ederech
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#555 - 2012-12-05 12:48:56 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
So, as a dev who loves to hate the EVE Calculator (name dropping CCP karkur here to try and have this post be caught by her RSS filters; we have a special EVE Calculator relationship...):

The jukebox had no extra EVE-specific functionality and as detailed in the devblog by CCP t0rfifrans (http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73569) then we felt it was better handled by implementing location-aware soundscapes. The music is on http://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/ and is distributed with the client and there are better players out there.


The problem is that third party players require you to take your attention away from EVE for a slight bit of time to change a track. Whether it's alt-tabbing out or clicking the other side of your hueg desktop to access winamp or some other fancypants media player, it is extra, unnecessary effort and distracts you from playing EVE itself.

When we had Jukebox, we could easily select a predefined playlist of our locally saved tracks in .mp3 format, doubleclick a playlist for specific activities e.g. doing a mission, mining or simply manual warp0 / jumping through gates to your destination, all without having to alt-tab or anything that gets some other window blocking what is happening in the client and reducing our situational awareness in-game. But now as it stands i'll probably be setting EVE BGM volume to 0 and alt-tabbing out to use Windows Media Player or something, all after warping off to a safespot or docking.

If your problems are all about 'maintaining' jukebox functionality, code, or whatever keeps it running smoothly with the rest of the client, it doesn't NEED to be maintained unless you are using some sort of software interdependency. Probably the location-aware BGM setting system in that regard... What can be done in that case is to allow the jukebox functionality to have precedence over that feature.. if the jukebox ever returns. Not everyone wants to listen to the same 50-something tracks eve has after say, 2-3 months all the time.

That and make the jukebox a 'standalone' type of application - something more like an in-game plug-in / add-on that has a separate codebase from the rest of the game, so as not to interfere with or cause problems with it. That way, you never even need to look at it afterwards to do 'maintenance' on it...


I daresay the jukebox is one of THE reasons why i liked EVE a lot over other MMOs, or games in general.

And yet, it goes away.
Please bring it back.


To the haters of this functionality:
Yes, I like listening to my own tracks when playing EVE, and i like music a lot for setting the mood for playing, just so my EVE gameplay experience can be more enjoyable.

I like the jukebox feature, and there is nothing you can do to change that. Deal with it.
Nene Ryuseika
The Ryuseika Group
#556 - 2012-12-05 12:50:07 UTC
Dan' Ehr wrote:
Re-Ta-Rd-Ed is a no-no word, really? o.O



Insulting the mentally challenged is double plus bad
Jordani Saken
Doomheim
#557 - 2012-12-05 12:51:04 UTC
what is with the new inventory interface? it was annoying enough that they changed it once but now I have to close my 'in space' inventory in station? also why cant I drop mined ore directly into the orca anymore?
3BEPEB
PARTIZANS
#558 - 2012-12-05 12:54:12 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:

The jukebox had no extra EVE-specific functionality and as detailed in the devblog by CCP t0rfifrans (http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73569) then we felt it was better handled by implementing location-aware soundscapes. The music is on http://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/ and is distributed with the client and there are better players out there.


oh yeah! try to play music from soundcloud in ingame browser /0\ LOL
great decision!

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#559 - 2012-12-05 12:55:05 UTC
Riazal wrote:
Remiel Pollard as you feel so strongly telling ppl there doing it wrong and trolling ppls posts..

i would and others would like to see your lv5/lv4 mission runing drone boat fit... pls link


If you can't think of your own, then why should I make it easier for you? I'd much sooner hunt you down with it while you're on mission and make it harder for you. If you want to at least LOOK like you're doing it right, you could start by learning the difference between "there" and "they're".

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#560 - 2012-12-05 12:56:41 UTC
3BEPEB wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:

The jukebox had no extra EVE-specific functionality and as detailed in the devblog by CCP t0rfifrans (http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73569) then we felt it was better handled by implementing location-aware soundscapes. The music is on http://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/ and is distributed with the client and there are better players out there.


oh yeah! try to play music from soundcloud in ingame browser /0\ LOL
great decision!


Run it behind the client. I have a stack of stuff running behind mine, including Win media player with my own music. I'm not a fan of the EVE stuff (sorry CCP)

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104