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EVE Online: Retribution 1.0 Feedback

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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#501 - 2012-12-05 09:51:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
PI appears to be broken.

Customs offices that are not empty are reporting that there is no space available to transfer materials from a ship into the customs office.

T-

Edit:

Clearing cache does not fix the problem. Transferring product from the planet to the customs office works and moving product from the customs office to a ship works but trying to move stuff from a ship to a customs office does not.

The error message is the following:

"you can't add the [item type] as there simply isn't enough room for it to fit. The container is currently only capable of fitting 35000,00 units and it is currently jammed full with 53376,85 units."

This error message is always the same regardless of the amount of product in the customs office. Even an empty customs office gives this message.

HELP!

T-
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#502 - 2012-12-05 09:52:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyla Skin
epsilonion wrote:

I kinda agree with this guy it is wonderfull and crap at the same time, i dont think i will go bac to lowsec or highsec again its safer in null sec with these bounties


It continues to baffle me how people think that 100k-1mil bounty is going to make ANYBODY attack you where they previously wouldn't have. You have been a target your entire eve life. Get a grip.

It kind of undermines the coolness of being wanted though, if every one is wanted.

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Ilania Ongrard
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#503 - 2012-12-05 09:54:59 UTC
'Soft soundscape' does not apply to solarsystem map. I feel that for consistency it should apply.
Alana Ataru
A I Mining Corporation
#504 - 2012-12-05 10:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Ataru
Nyla Skin wrote:
epsilonion wrote:

I kinda agree with this guy it is wonderfull and crap at the same time, i dont think i will go bac to lowsec or highsec again its safer in null sec with these bounties


It continues to baffle me how people think that 100k-1mil bounty is going to make ANYBODY attack you where they previously wouldn't have. You have been a target your entire eve life. Get a grip.

It kind of undermines the coolness of being wanted though, if every one is wanted.



Bounties would be more productive, if you could only have one placed on you for commiting a crime, and while flagged as such. Then while bounty is on you, you are a criminal and flagged to all, in all space till the bounty is collected.

I don't think the claim that this new bounty system will make people make bounty hunting a career is gonna happen as it stands

The quote in EON about players now being the enforcers for crimes still doesnt flow. If anyone can have a bounty on them for no reason. If you are commting a crime by attacking a non-flagged, wanted person everyone will soon be tagged as wanted just for the hell of it. I give it about 6 months or less.
Jita iswhereIsit
Doomheim
#505 - 2012-12-05 10:14:36 UTC
MJ Valerya wrote:
Where is your math genius who calculated the new missile range?
HM T2 Fury -> old flight time = 9s (no skills)
patchnotes says -> -35%
would be 5.85s
ingame it says 4.88s

thanks CCP for this great patch
now i have to skill for 3-6 months to get into another ship for PVE
cant fly anything for mission, drake has no range and no speed
BS cant fight frigs or cruisers without drones

i am a mission runner, Caldari ships with missiles, i dont have anything else because still have not finished my Caldari´s
i dont want to camp at a gate and wait for some hauler to gank

the PVP is a big part in this game BUT it wasn´t the only part.... now it is

AI patch, npc uses maxium EWAR, kill all drones faster then my drone window refreshes after starting the drones
and i cant do anything against it
ever tried to shoot a elite frig which scrambles you with T1 cruise missiles? it´s impossible

Thanks again for this bullshit and goodbye

Edit:
If you do something, do it the right way
you dont want us to run missions and instead do pvp?
then just kill all mission agents and set whole universe to 0.0, would be a lot easier for you
and fix your advertise and homepage
"yes we have pve and missions and all this stuff, but you cant do any of them, HAHAHA"


I agree with a lot of this, I've wasted months of training on Missile/tengu skills which are now completely useless, I think offering to revert that to unallocated sp would be wise.
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
#506 - 2012-12-05 10:23:34 UTC
After playing around for a day I find that while I agree heavy missiles needed a nerf, the promised change to precision missile range didn't happen, instead they have a paltry 24k reach while I'm still getting almost 60k out of standard loads. Furies now fall below the max orbit range of mission rats even with max skills.

Suggestion: normalise heavy missile ranges to reach 54k (since you loose 2k to acceleration anyways) for fury and precision assuming rank 4/4 on missile range skills.

Drones: instapopped on launch? seriously.... just give me 4 more highs and let me fit small size weapons instead of a dronebay.

Defender missiles: really, I should think someone other than the caldari would have come up with an anti missile system by now, aside from the fact there's not a launcher that they'll fit in with a fast enough fire rate to be useful or desireable.

Can't click an object (or probe) on the solar system map to recenter like its been forever.

rightclick on corp manufacturing/research jobs works sometimes, sometimes not and isn't consistent between multiple characters.

Mission issues: you 0.0 folks forget we hisec people don't live on pvp or travel in 300 man blobs. Kinda hard to pack logistics, ewar, countermeasures and a tank all on the same ship, Especially when missions are having agro issues that'd melt a carrier. Scale back the drone hate and chain agro a bit or seriously upgrade rewards to match the increased difficulty.

Last but not least: after rebalancing T1 FF/DD/CR it really highlights the deficiencies in T2 and in some instances T3 as well, accelerating the rebalance should take priority over most projects as noone likes to fly broken or underpowered/overpriced stuff.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#507 - 2012-12-05 10:23:46 UTC
Why oh why did you change it so that you needed to focus on the input field in order to use the mouse scroll to change prices?

Nyan

CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#508 - 2012-12-05 10:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Punkturis
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Drag and drop into Bounty fields would have been nice

you can drag people from chat into the place bounty search box in the bounty window

KIller Wabbit wrote:
Can you withdraw a bounty?

nope

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Chris Avce
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#509 - 2012-12-05 10:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Chris Avce
pure drone boats need something to help keep the drones alive longer as currently every time they switch targets u have to pull and re deploy so they don't get attacked and when they do get attacked its not by 1 or 2 its by the whole group and they are getting almost insta-popped and i am talking bout sents deployed by a stopped ship i imagine light's etc are going to b hit a lot harder the aggro needs toning down a lot
i agree afk drone boaters need dealing with but u cant take your eyes of the screen for more than a second without getting drone agro
logistics modules are not always viable
Tangsu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#510 - 2012-12-05 10:27:32 UTC
Alana Ataru wrote:
Nyla Skin wrote:
epsilonion wrote:

I kinda agree with this guy it is wonderfull and crap at the same time, i dont think i will go bac to lowsec or highsec again its safer in null sec with these bounties


It continues to baffle me how people think that 100k-1mil bounty is going to make ANYBODY attack you where they previously wouldn't have. You have been a target your entire eve life. Get a grip.

It kind of undermines the coolness of being wanted though, if every one is wanted.



Bounties would be more productive, if you could only have one placed on you for commiting a crime, and while flagged as such. Then while bounty is on you, you are a criminal and flagged to all, in all space till the bounty is collected.

I don't think the claim that this new bounty system will make people make bounty hunting a career is gonna happen as it stands

The quote in EON about players now being the enforcers for crimes still doesnt flow. If anyone can have a bounty on them for no reason. If you are commting a crime by attacking a non-flagged, wanted person everyone will soon be tagged as wanted just for the hell of it. I give it about 6 months or less.


Exactly. And already suicide gankers are apparently using/abusing the system to collect their own bounties. CCP if you have any suicide gankers or such in your ranks you should NEVER let them work on or have an influence on features like this. It totally defeats the purpose, and all the hundreds or thousands of man hours you put into the feature.

From Crime and Punishment:
1) Get corp level bounty. Be in the same corp. Aggress each other. Gank things. Get bounty when concord kills you. The criminals profit, and you lose.
2) Gankers in same fleet aggress each other, gank your freighter. Concord ganks them. They get the freighter and the bounties on each other. The criminals profit, and you lose yet AGAIN.

This is EXACTLY like the great Retribution trailer you put out (NOT). I think the whole bounty idea has been subverted by not limiting it to being put ONLY ON ACTUAL CRIMINALS.

At least miner bumpers haven't yet found a way to subvert the new features so that harassment style bumping pays out massive rewards too.


Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
#511 - 2012-12-05 10:27:37 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
epsilonion wrote:

I kinda agree with this guy it is wonderfull and crap at the same time, i dont think i will go bac to lowsec or highsec again its safer in null sec with these bounties


It continues to baffle me how people think that 100k-1mil bounty is going to make ANYBODY attack you where they previously wouldn't have. You have been a target your entire eve life. Get a grip.

It kind of undermines the coolness of being wanted though, if every one is wanted.



+1, should be immune to bounties if you've never had negative sec status
Seay Prime
Roll the Hole
#512 - 2012-12-05 10:28:42 UTC
Hast Semah wrote:
Dear CCP, here is my feedback.

The new UI is nice. I enjoy being able to see who is dealing damage, who I'm able to target, etc... The circles are a bit to big, and clutter up easily, at least when zoomed out and using the tactical overlay.

I do have some complaints. Please note these are only about the patch, not regarding improvements I think EVE needs.


  • NPC Combat timer seems very pointless. Being unable to do a safe-log off because an NPC targeted you is mind boggling.
  • The new NPC AI is more realistic, but no practical ways were implemented to allow drone boats to continue to be feasible.
  • No way to 1v1 in high sec without being legal targets for all of New Eden.
  • Safety resetting. This is completely incomprehensible. In all honesty, this is purely bad programming. 'nuf said.
  • Corp recruiting. New version is more polished, but I was expecting a good overhaul of the system with more features.
  • Wanted signs. By downtime tomorrow, every player is going to have a bounty on their head. The signs need to be smaller, or there needs to be a different one for neg sec status pilots. Being wanted by another capsuleer is not the same as being a criminal.
  • No more neg-sec status flag on the overview. That used to be a good way to determine if a player coming towards you was up to no good.


Except for the drone nerf to certain extent, these problems are livable with. But they are a hassle, and show certain lack of effort (not to say there wasn't any). Overall however, I am somewhat happy with the patch.



Like i said above mate, ccp wants you to make 7-8mil isk per hour to play the game and work every night for a whole month to be able to buy a faction BS... If there are 10 good things about this patch there are 25 bad... thats the ration, period. Totally pointless safe log off timer. your brother trips and drops the wireless modem in your house and you disconnect you loose a faction fit tengu in mid-mission. An electricity cut happens (which happenes once every few days in Cyprus and even Israel) you loose boat again. If a network connections happens with your Net-provider you loose again... I mean what is the god damn point of adding such difficulty and nonconstructive attribute to the game???????????
Furoth
Black Avarice
Skeletons in the Closet
#513 - 2012-12-05 10:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Furoth
Haven't had a chance to go over everything yet, still scratching the surface but i like the update in general.

The new intro theme is nice. Hope you payed that guy well, he did a good job.

The salvage drones are a cool idea. They are good, buggy for now but they do the job. Maybe too well.

The mining frigs are cool too. I grabbed one 2 minutes after i logged in. I don't know exactly where i will use it but it's cool to have for the rare places only a frigate can go. And it looks like an industry ship should.

Thank god for persistant windows. Should i say it again? Thank god for persistant windows. And the buttons. Life just got much easier. Thank you!

The new target icons are a letdown. It's a good idea. I like the ability to see which ship is hitting me the hardest but the red rings are bloody HUGE. They should be 25% the size they are now. With 5 or 6 ships, there isn't much of a problem but when you have 25 targets or more, it becomes screen clutter. Screen realestate is destroyed here. Totally defeats the purpose of having them when everything is a big red smear on the screen. Good idea but useless in the current state. :(

The 4 small arrows around every ship seem to serve no purpose other than to clutter the view. Unless there is a purpose to them i haven't encountered yet, i'd say remove them.

The target list top of screen is too big. I used to be able to fit 10 or 11 targets across the top of the screen, now i only have 5 or 6 (forgot to count actually) but, it's crowded out now. I'm also getting some issues with a second row not sorting out properly. For instance, i've had 2 wrecks left while salvaging and instead of being side to side, they were one under the other. The full circle health bars should also be half circle like your ship shows at the bottom. Simply for consistancy. I think i'd recognise things better this way. As full circles it takes me a little longer to 'read' than before. It still needs a bit of work imho.

Like all the new sounds too. It adds more atmosphere. I like the old warp and jump sounds better. This new one is more like a constant wind noise. Not the best way to go but it comes with a bunch of new stuff, like station atmosphere and the map, and planets so it's pretty good overall.

Drones..... Glad i don't run a drone boat. Those ships are totally shafted.

Missiles... The jury is still out. From a few quick tests i'd say theres a loss of range but damage is only slightly less if not the same. I have excellent skills however. Younger pilots are probably hard hit here. I'll have to tinker with a few setups to make a final decision but i can say for certain, precision missiles are worth it now. I'm also a little suprised there wasen't more of a cruise missile buff (very briefly tested those). I sort of expected that, but forgot why now. Still, more testing to do though.
Bloody Wench
#514 - 2012-12-05 10:31:42 UTC
Mhari Dson wrote:


Can't click an object (or probe) on the solar system map to recenter like its been forever.



Double clicking on the item worked for me.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#515 - 2012-12-05 10:40:16 UTC
Mhari Dson wrote:
Nyla Skin wrote:
epsilonion wrote:

I kinda agree with this guy it is wonderfull and crap at the same time, i dont think i will go bac to lowsec or highsec again its safer in null sec with these bounties


It continues to baffle me how people think that 100k-1mil bounty is going to make ANYBODY attack you where they previously wouldn't have. You have been a target your entire eve life. Get a grip.

It kind of undermines the coolness of being wanted though, if every one is wanted.



+1, should be immune to bounties if you've never had negative sec status


Yeah because nobody ever places a bounty on the good guys. Han Solo was a terrible person and so is that eleven year old girl Malala that the Taliban bountied - terrible people, both deserve to have bounties on them. Don't they?

You think that because you've done nothing "wrong" according to what's legal in the game that a criminal can't set a bounty or a "price on your head" so to speak just because he can? They bounty system before this was pathetic - as if you shouldn't be allowed to place a bounty on anyone. That's what being a criminal is all about, doing whatever the hell you like. The new bounty system just formalises a criminal's ability to do what they've always been able to do anyway - offer a price for your death. What do you think Hulkageddon was, a tickatape parade?

IMO, the bounty system is now fixed. Nobody should be immune to bounties because a "bounty" is just a price on someone's head, and doesn't need t be for what you might consider legitimate reasons, because I assure you that someone placing a bounty on you is going to have their own reason, whether you understand it or not.

FYi, I have a half a billion on my head atm because some forum warrior didn't like me disagreeing with them. But because bounties don't equal kill rights, it has been interesting seeing two people try to claim it in high sec now and both times get concorded. She wasted her half billion isk and that's not my problem.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
#516 - 2012-12-05 10:45:07 UTC
patch notes are up for 1.0.1, apparently this was a high priority fix:

•We have now forbidden placing bounty on Developer & ISD Corporations and Alliances.
Orion GUardian
#517 - 2012-12-05 10:48:09 UTC
Everyone who thinks bounties should be limited to criminals really should do 2 things.

1. Chill out, 1m or even 10m is no threat to anyone

2. remember that "Bounty" was never meant to be against criminals alone. Why shouldn't you be able to set a bounty on a target you want dead regardless of what he has done? Did you think about how scammers NEVER incur sec ststus penanlty or "do criminal acts" with scamming? Though that should occur to you that it is a viable reason for a bounty. Of course why shouldn't pirates be allowed to put a bounty on anyone they hate. Or just do it for the fun of it?

I do agree though, that a bounty shouldn't be paid out to the one that actually had the bounty in the first place. Nor should a bounty be paid out when Concord killed th target. Though that does indeed open other exploits that targets get thmeselves concorded on purpose to deny Bountypayout....
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
#518 - 2012-12-05 10:48:11 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Mhari Dson wrote:
Nyla Skin wrote:
epsilonion wrote:

I kinda agree with this guy it is wonderfull and crap at the same time, i dont think i will go bac to lowsec or highsec again its safer in null sec with these bounties


It continues to baffle me how people think that 100k-1mil bounty is going to make ANYBODY attack you where they previously wouldn't have. You have been a target your entire eve life. Get a grip.

It kind of undermines the coolness of being wanted though, if every one is wanted.



+1, should be immune to bounties if you've never had negative sec status


Yeah because nobody ever places a bounty on the good guys. Han Solo was a terrible person and so is that eleven year old girl Malala that the Taliban bountied - terrible people, both deserve to have bounties on them. Don't they?

You think that because you've done nothing "wrong" according to what's legal in the game that a criminal can't set a bounty or a "price on your head" so to speak just because he can? They bounty system before this was pathetic - as if you shouldn't be allowed to place a bounty on anyone. That's what being a criminal is all about, doing whatever the hell you like. The new bounty system just formalises a criminal's ability to do what they've always been able to do anyway - offer a price for your death. What do you think Hulkageddon was, a tickatape parade?

IMO, the bounty system is now fixed. Nobody should be immune to bounties because a "bounty" is just a price on someone's head, and doesn't need t be for what you might consider legitimate reasons, because I assure you that someone placing a bounty on you is going to have their own reason, whether you understand it or not.

FYi, I have a half a billion on my head atm because some forum warrior didn't like me disagreeing with them. But because bounties don't equal kill rights, it has been interesting seeing two people try to claim it in high sec now and both times get concorded. She wasted her half billion isk and that's not my problem.



Perhaps I should have been more clear, the bounty was placed on me and literally hundreds of other people for attempting to help other players understand the patch changes/etc in helpchat. basically the system has been cheapened to the point where it really means nothing.
cheese monkey
NuKeDD
NuKeDD.
#519 - 2012-12-05 10:49:40 UTC
Being able to pod someone for just being a suspect is not justice, not by any definition. This really is dumb.

Also, Drones seem to have been ruined - was this intended?

Cannot dock if you are RRing someone not in your corp - a tad harsh.

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Pynelo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#520 - 2012-12-05 11:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Pynelo
Dear developers and the whole team CCP, patch retribution at the moment, the complete failure of, or close to full. Not all men play on large monitors I have 17 inch, and a new interface with the objectives of the round is simply terrible, these goals now occupy almost a quarter of my screen became worse in the definition of armor shield structure, activated module on the ship is now displayed from the bottom and not from the side, and informative posts you raised a little higher, and now turn on the brain, now I can't see at the bottom displaying modules on purpose, that actively and there is no opportunity to cancel the module, give pilots the right of choice of which you always so loud say, I want to choose to fly with me round the objectives or the same square. Now intelligence NPC, I have to dronebay 5 medium and 5 of the scout drons, producing drones at once I lost one, and that would again fill up dronebay I have to fly to the station, what do you do ? to me the game easier ? so maybe you should then increase the compartment drones ? because when you're in space I can't report to dronebay, but this is half the trouble, I invite a friend into the game and we flew together with him, he flew after I collected all the aggression , and arriving to me he collected the hulls of ships and the like that, and now his arrival that his death, thank you for unnecessary innovation. Further, I do not know because of that, but many of the mission lost trigers, and if in your pocket are several packs of enemies, that their trigers do not work, now they are frustrated with the place all the time and fly to the goal, you are probably the same does not have thought of ? today I because of this, nearly lost the Golem, and almost lost stand being on the adopted storyline mission, thanks to one of the GM who I restarted the mission, but I certainly it receive any more will not. Further, You have conducted a survey and they all voted for the abolition of the media player ? I think no, I liked player, I listened to his music, but now that he would do this I have to turn off the sound, but I want to hear the sound of shots, so as to be ? can my opinion and the opinion of thousands of players is more important ? return the player, and that is the horrible sounds of explosions, it's forever so will it be ? what kind of firecrackers ? I have a full negative, to your patch, I'm very disappointed, and don't know how to be, I will soon birthday, and he was a friend of mine wanted me to pay the eve of the year of Noah already asked him for a while to do it, I think you understand why ???


and another thing, what have you done with the reward for his head, now every idiot clings to reward all in a row, we are now in the game all the criminals, the award will need to hang up the only one, to whom were applied aggressive actions.