EVE General Discussion

Bummer that they put you on the bench team avatar. I'm looking forward to your vision hitting TQ. I'll be around though... looking forward to seeing you achieve your vision! It sounds really cool...

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There is a big difference between "ignoring the spaceship game" and and working on WiS. Obviously, given a fixed budget for developing new things, paying people to develop one feature will always mean there is less money for developing something else. To say "we will not develop WiS until it will not reduce effort placed on spaceships" means you will never develop it, because any money used to develop Wis could instead be used to hire different people who do additional work on spaceships.

But from the above many players want WiS in some form. What to do?

Assume that part of every subscription fee went to developing new features, maybe $2 a month. Now imagine that CCP allows us players to each vote on how our $2 is spent. Take the money voted for WiS, and spend it on that. All those players who do not want WiS would be absolutely sure that none of their money went to fund it.

But CCP does not need to actually implement such a voting system. Just put out a poll with the next news letter, and use that as a guide.

Also, CCP, why do you develop prototypes of new features then pitch them to management? Management does not pay for them to be developed, we do. Pitch them to us, get our approval.

So, from what Unifex just said, I'm going to guess that Winter 2012 and Summer 2013 is out of the question. Which means, I'm a little disappointed.

I'm glad to have some clarity on the issue. The exploration content sounds awesome, and I like the general old-school horror theme that you're vulnerable and exploring a dark and dangerous landscape. I don't know if anyone at CCP has played Penumbra, but that general vibe would be amazing. Maybe have the courage to have things in there that are not necessary designed to be overcome, but avoided and routed around--when possible. If you think fast.

The two team limitation is an acceptable start, but for maximum mayhem you should consider finding ways to up that.

(And, to answer something from Scatim Helicon's good post, I do not want Dersen traipsing around Sleeper ruins in an open leather jacket. That will shatter immersion. Some kind of environmental suit is obvious--especially if they could be dyed or badged in some way so that it was possible to recognize your team.)

It makes sense that solving this problem makes social spaces and stations much, much easier by comparison. I'm glad you're leading with this, though. This promises to be fun.

I am of the same mind, however the one thing that I think will have to be carefully considered is to what degree to make certain area's available only to groups as opposed to the single player.

For the most part, for better or for worse, a great deal (but certainly not all) of building materials acquisition in EVE is done by the solo player currently. However it would seem that a frequent theme in this Avatar based game play will be an environment so hostile (not counting opposing player involvement) that it will require a team to access certain area's/content (running remote repairers on each other, etc.).

I think that this will have to be handled with a delicate hand, and allow a (modest) living to be made by solo players, while the bigger rewards can be reaped by teams. And by bigger, I don't mean proportionately bigger. There is no incentive to go in as a team if you end up going home with the same amount of ISK in your pocket (as your share of the loot) as you would have taking the whole thing doing a lower payout site solo.

Sounds like a great concept CCP, but ehm yeah we already kinda knew all about it, Though i do aprove ^^

Hire some more people to do the WiS gameplay, or outsource that specific expansion to some other company and check frequently to what they are doing, while you CCP keep working on spaceships like all the anti WiS people want you to do.

It's good to see some actual content for the avatars in the pipeline, as opposed to a room with a TV & a spaceship in the background that gets smaller as you walk towards it. If this is to become a reality down the track, are there any plans to optimise how it runs on lower end systems?

Eventually I'd like to see things get to the point where even docked in High Sec you can at least still get (painfully, but harmlessly) punched in the face, docked in low sec (due to less strict weapons prohibitions on stations) you can still get knifed, and docked up in Null Sec you can get your head blown off.

Now that team Avatar has come this far, CCP should in secret dedicate a full team of devs to making it a reality. Don't let anybody know! The masses must believe that team Avatar is still a small team lest they start shooting the poor statues in Jita. Please...think of the statues!

Well, this is disappointing. It appears as if it'll be years before we are able to do anything besides shoot at red crosses or flashing red boxes while zoomed out.

When I joined Eve I was greatly looking forward to Incarna (nee ambulation, WiS) and the ability to interact with others in my corp and alliance in shared meeting spaces, interacting with other players over games of chance in seedy bars, etc. After the perfect storm of Incarna performance problems, leaked memos, anger over microtransactions and the poorly thought out NeX store and the fallout that followed, CCP got frightened and swung the pendulum too far in the other direction (and in the process tossed those of us who were looking forward to avatars under the bus).

The hardcore Eve snobs can flame all they like but, fact of the matter is that most people find it easier to identify with a humanoid form as their in-game representation rather than a ship model.

As a roleplayer who's regularly subjected to ridicule as is I'm finding it harder and harder to justify spending my limited discretionary income on a game whose playerbase totally disrespects me and a developer who apparently feels the same.

Since it seems that CCP truly only listens to pitchfork wielding mobs who unsubscribe perhaps it's time that those of us who are growing weary of having our wants placed on the back burner again and again to emulate those mobs.