These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

AFK Mining Exploit?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#21 - 2012-09-05 19:52:31 UTC
Yes because as soon as the cycle ends and/or roid depletes or the cargo is full.... you magically can store more ore and earn money.

Ridiculous topic is ridiculous.

/c

★★★ Secure 3rd party service ★★★

Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Twitter @ChribbaVeldspar
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#22 - 2012-09-05 19:54:01 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Yes because as soon as the cycle ends and/or roid depletes or the cargo is full.... you magically can store more ore and earn money.

Ridiculous topic is ridiculous.

/c


Good gracious, the OP has been sarcastically facepalmed by Chribba.

OP should go hide in a hole.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#23 - 2012-09-05 20:13:49 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:


I am afraid mining is just that dull. Proactive gaming is limited to guessing when the cycle should be cut off if the asteroid is nearing completion, so you don't waste time sucking vacuum.


That's what Excel is for.

Profit favors the prepared
Ensign X
#24 - 2012-09-05 20:40:34 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
James 315 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CCP will most likely have to do something about ice mining macks.

And if they don't, the rest of us will. Smile


Hilarious how you say the rest of us will do something about it...when all you do yourself is whine. What are you exactly going to do about it? Whine more?


He does more than just whine. He bumps miners all day long. Check his killboard for proofs. Wait... there is no proof. I guess we'll just have to take his word that he's out there "making a difference".
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#25 - 2012-09-05 20:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Helena Russell Makanen
(To OP) Actually reading a blog before posting might assist you in the future.

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#26 - 2012-09-05 20:56:23 UTC
There is also the ISBoxer issue. It looks like there are several barge swarms that are most likely ISBoxer run. That is, its one player controlling 10 or more ships all at once with the aid of ISBoxer. This is legal as the commands still are triggered by a player.

Player selects undock, ISBoxer clones the command, tells all ships to undock.
Player tells ship to warp to the top bookmark (all the clients have a different top BM), ISBoxer tells all ships to warp to the top BM.
Player tells ship to target the top item in the overview (which is set to ice), ISBoxer has all ships target nearest ice roid.
Player turns on ice miners, ISBoxer tells all ships to turn on ice miners.

Half an hour later:

Player tells ship to dock, select all cargo and move to items. ISBoxer clones the commands.

Cycle repeats.

The profit from this will drop as the ice market gets glutted. That is quite different from afking complexes. But a low ice price also makes ice mining not a viable career unless you get 10 accounts and ISBoxer.

CCP: Maybe ISBoxer command cloning needs to be added to the list of things that are "patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play".

Know a Frozen fan? Check this out

Frozen fanfiction
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-09-05 21:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Xado
Vincent Athena wrote:


CCP: Maybe ISBoxer command cloning needs to be added to the list of things that are "patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play".


No. Multiboxing is a valid form of play in Eve Online.

And BTW, IsBoxer facilitates a lot more than just ice mining.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#28 - 2012-09-05 21:39:15 UTC
Jason Xado wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:


CCP: Maybe ISBoxer command cloning needs to be added to the list of things that are "patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play".


No. Multiboxing is a valid form of play in Eve Online.

And BTW, IsBoxer facilitates a lot more than just ice mining.

Sure, multiboxing I got no issue with. But having all clients commanded simultaneously with the aid of software? CCP has said "OK". But in light of whats happening at ice fields, maybe that decision needs to be reconsidered.

Know a Frozen fan? Check this out

Frozen fanfiction
Arec Bardwin
#29 - 2012-09-05 22:31:59 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:

Sure, multiboxing I got no issue with. But having all clients commanded simultaneously with the aid of software? CCP has said "OK". But in light of whats happening at ice fields, maybe that decision needs to be reconsidered.
Since this type of gameplay (multiboxing several ice miners with ISboxer) concerns you that much, may we assume you have chosen Ice mining as your major profession then?
Pipa Porto
#30 - 2012-09-05 22:42:36 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
If CCP decides they don't like AFK ice mining, they better make it less hazardous to the human brain.


Like ratting's any better.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-09-05 22:43:04 UTC
I never really understood why ISboxer was allowed yet macros and automation are not. But it's entirely up to CCP to decide.

That isn't of course to say we can't make consequences ourselves for users of such programs if we feel it's necessary. We just can't ban anybody. :P

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-09-05 22:44:20 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
If CCP decides they don't like AFK ice mining, they better make it less hazardous to the human brain.


Like ratting's any better.

It is - marginally.
It also pays more.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pipa Porto
#33 - 2012-09-05 22:54:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
If CCP decides they don't like AFK ice mining, they better make it less hazardous to the human brain.


Like ratting's any better.

It is - marginally.
It also pays more.


It only pays more because either more people prefer mining (meaning it's actually less soul crushing than ratting) or the increased ease of multiboxing makes it actually pay more for the market setters.

If it was actually a worse job and actually paid less, you'd think people would rat/run missions instead.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#34 - 2012-09-05 23:24:09 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:

Sure, multiboxing I got no issue with. But having all clients commanded simultaneously with the aid of software? CCP has said "OK". But in light of whats happening at ice fields, maybe that decision needs to be reconsidered.
Since this type of gameplay (multiboxing several ice miners with ISboxer) concerns you that much, may we assume you have chosen Ice mining as your major profession then?

Actually its not. I do many things, industry, ore mining, exploration, missions, trading, all using my alts, and this pilot lives in W-space. But I do ice mine now and then, and would like the ISK to not be driven to oblivion. I also have concern for other players who do use ice mining as their main profession.

Know a Frozen fan? Check this out

Frozen fanfiction
Infinite Force
#35 - 2012-09-05 23:32:03 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
....I also have concern for other players who do use ice mining as their main profession.

People need to just relax a bit.

>> You realize that if everyone was a CEO, nothing would get done? (no one to do the work)

>> You realize that if everyone was a grunt, nothing would get done? (no one to give direction/orders)


If someone wants to PvP their life away, great.

If someone wants to mine ice all day, great.

If someone wants to market trade all day (without leaving the station), great.

Isn't EVE great!

HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud

http://tinyurl.com/95zmyzw - The only way to go!
Carlton Foster
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-09-05 23:35:23 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
There is also the ISBoxer issue. It looks like there are several barge swarms that are most likely ISBoxer run. That is, its one player controlling 10 or more ships all at once with the aid of ISBoxer. This is legal as the commands still are triggered by a player.

Player selects undock, ISBoxer clones the command, tells all ships to undock.
Player tells ship to warp to the top bookmark (all the clients have a different top BM), ISBoxer tells all ships to warp to the top BM.
Player tells ship to target the top item in the overview (which is set to ice), ISBoxer has all ships target nearest ice roid.
Player turns on ice miners, ISBoxer tells all ships to turn on ice miners.

Half an hour later:

Player tells ship to dock, select all cargo and move to items. ISBoxer clones the commands.

Cycle repeats.

The profit from this will drop as the ice market gets glutted. That is quite different from afking complexes. But a low ice price also makes ice mining not a viable career unless you get 10 accounts and ISBoxer.

CCP: Maybe ISBoxer command cloning needs to be added to the list of things that are "patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play".


If they got rid of IsBoxer then Eve would no longer be an MMO-RTS. That would make me sad :-(
C O'Brien
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-09-05 23:36:41 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
So lets say you are NOT using a macro.

You hit your modules and go afk until the cycle is done.

Yet recently went emo in a dev blob about "afk missioning" with drones is not acceptable game play because you are not actually present at your computer

Whats the deal?

Yeah....

I am afraid mining is just that dull.
Uris Vitgar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-09-05 23:56:40 UTC
Is afk manufacturing and exploit? Is afk skill training an exploit? Is afk PI an exploit? Clearly not. It seems the only problem is mining is too easy, espescially ice mining. Whether you have your eyes glued to the screen or not has nothing to do with it
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#39 - 2012-09-06 00:32:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I never really understood why ISboxer was allowed yet macros and automation are not. But it's entirely up to CCP to decide.

That isn't of course to say we can't make consequences ourselves for users of such programs if we feel it's necessary. We just can't ban anybody. :P

Iirc, the reason they gave is that with ISBoxer, you still have to be there pressing the buttons. When you use macros, you don't have to be at the computer. They just want people to be in control and not an automated process.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#40 - 2012-09-06 01:42:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
CCP will most likely have to do something about ice mining macks.


isnt that what Goons are for? "Emergent gameplay" and all?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.