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AFK Mining Exploit?

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Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#81 - 2012-09-11 03:56:01 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
The problem with all these ideas is that while they are really good, they kill the game for people who mine with more than one character at a time. The time involved with aligning 6, 9, 12 or more lasers would cause most people to simply take the yield hit and deal with the diminishing returns provided in your idea. The end result there is CCP devs spending a ton of time implementing something that would not be used. Time they could have spent working on other things.


Wait, since when is "killing the game for people who mine with more than one character at a time" -- i.e., botters -- a bad thing?

Seriously, if there was a combat situation that would allow me to run Sanctums in Nullsec on 23 accounts at the same time, it would get nerfed within days, if not hours. And it bloody well should be. (Unless it has the name "Faction Warfare" in the title, then it can stick around for 3-4 months apparently.)

I'm sorry that mining is such a horrifically boring activity that you people can't be bothered to actually play the game they're, in theory, enjoying, but the solution has to involve making it more fun and engaging. Crippling the mining revamp by also including "but it should also be something we should be able to do while completely AFK" is asinine whining from entitled prats.

In short, any mining revamp MUST include changes to make it impossible to AFK -- i.e. Bot -- mine. Otherwise we'll just return to the current situation of people forced to either bot mine or play the game virtually indistinguishable from a bot to compete.
Pipa Porto
#82 - 2012-09-11 04:14:26 UTC
Xython wrote:
Which you can only do by emulating a mouse/keyboard via software on the other locations.

ISBoxer is botting. It's just attended botting, which is significantly more ethical than the bots that the rest of the miners use.


Or, as the guy who finally got CCP to whitelist ISBoxer proved, by creating a hilarious and over the top hardware solution. ISBoxer's ability to clone mouse commands doesn't allow you to do anything you couldn't do with some wooden dowels, packing tape, and a giant desk surface area.

For details on how to avoid paying ISBoxer's ~$20 annual subscription fee by using a hardware solution, click here.

ISBoxer is a more elegant way to tie a bunch of mice together with wooden dowels and packing tape, and performs the same functions as doing so.

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Infinite Force
#83 - 2012-09-11 05:55:54 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Xython wrote:
Which you can only do by emulating a mouse/keyboard via software on the other locations.

ISBoxer is botting. It's just attended botting, which is significantly more ethical than the bots that the rest of the miners use.


Or, as the guy who finally got CCP to whitelist ISBoxer proved, by creating a hilarious and over the top hardware solution. ISBoxer's ability to clone mouse commands doesn't allow you to do anything you couldn't do with some wooden dowels, packing tape, and a giant desk surface area.

For details on how to avoid paying ISBoxer's ~$20 annual subscription fee by using a hardware solution, click here.

ISBoxer is a more elegant way to tie a bunch of mice together with wooden dowels and packing tape, and performs the same functions as doing so.

I've been looking for that link for a while - completely forgot where to find it... Thanks!

I so completely love his "over-the-top" setup.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-09-11 11:01:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Xython wrote:
In short, any mining revamp MUST include changes to make it impossible to AFK -- i.e. Bot -- mine. Otherwise we'll just return to the current situation of people forced to either bot mine or play the game virtually indistinguishable from a bot to compete.


Could you tell us how it is possible to miner to AFK 24 hours in a Hulk?

Hint: It's not possible.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-09-11 11:05:40 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Yep you certainly have the right to be AFK, but why do you feel you have the right to be AFK, Safe, and Making money all at the same time?


Unless you know way to prevent other players from buying modules, ships, ore, stuff from me while I'm on station and AFK...
gobbybobby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-09-11 11:13:28 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
In short, any mining revamp MUST include changes to make it impossible to AFK -- i.e. Bot -- mine. Otherwise we'll just return to the current situation of people forced to either bot mine or play the game virtually indistinguishable from a bot to compete.


Could you tell us how it is possible to miner to AFK 24 hours in a Hulk?

Hint: It's not possible.


Lots of coffee? And be an extremely boring or easy to amuse person.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2012-09-11 13:42:52 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
baltec1 wrote:
CCP will most likely have to do something about ice mining macks.



make it so Ice mining is comparable to regular mining.


The reason people AFK/BOT mine Ice is because it takes hours and hours to get enough to be useful. The Ice mechanic itself is broken, not the miners. It should no take you 5-6 hours of Ice mining just to run 1 POS for 1 Week. If it were not for Botting Ice miners, POS fuel would be much more expensive than it is.

FC, what do?

Tort Funaila
Anvil and Sons
#88 - 2012-09-11 19:20:33 UTC
Volar Kang wrote:
James 315 wrote:
And if they don't, the rest of us will. Smile


I know you think you are on some Jihad but trust me, you dont speak for the "rest of us" James.


He was elected to do exactly that. I just hope he agrees to serve on the CSM; we need his leadership badly.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#89 - 2012-09-11 20:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
OMG this thread is just full of fail.

No matter what CCP, tries to do, or even succeeds in doing, the poor asshats without real jobs sitting at home will very quickly find new work arounds and ways to exploit the new system. Stop asking for something that is not possible. it will only hurt the game and the players who actually play it. the bots and exploiters will find a way around any fix they implement.

CCP has developed a method of tracking, monitoring, and punishing botters. It has been very effective, but the botters will always find new ways around it. Learn to live with it or stop playing MMO's. Every MMO contains players that live for nothing other than finding ways to exploit the game.

I hate bots as much as the next guy, I do AFK mine. I also have a very large network of very passive income PI. I have a real job and a real life. I also have 4 active accounts in EVE. When I am at work I often have EVE running in the back ground with my mining crew set up for 5-6 hours out of a day. I can not run missions, go ratting, or PVP during this time as I am at work and would most likely get fired. When I get home I have two young children that want to spend time with daddy. These are my priorities, work and family.

When I do have time to actually sit down and play EVE I want to spend it doing activities I enjoy. AFK mining, and PI while at work gives me the isk to do that.

Why should my game play get nerfed? Why should my subscriptions be worth less than some jobless asshat that sits on his couch playing video games all day?

It should not and is not.

If you want to discuss real ethics. Some of the biggest PVPers and null sec legends are actually in real life lazy bums sitting in their parents basement, with no real job skills, and have no life outside of the game. Really what type of game play should be discouraged? the hard working tax payer who plays the game for simple enjoyment and recreation as video games are supposed to be? Or the lazy asshat who has no life outside of the game and is nothing but a burden on society?

it is just a game, grow up and get your priorities straight.
Pipa Porto
#90 - 2012-09-11 20:41:07 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Yep you certainly have the right to be AFK, but why do you feel you have the right to be AFK, Safe, and Making money all at the same time?


Unless you know way to prevent other players from buying modules, ships, ore, stuff from me while I'm on station and AFK...


The risk in trading while AFK is the risk that you lose money on trades due to market changes and other things. Which you can't react to because you're, wait for it, AFK.

So, to our 3 part checklist, is trading:
Possible while AFK? Yes.
Profitable while AFK? Maybe.
Safe? No.

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-RubyPorto