Ships & Modules

when you get in the realm of capitals and heavy armor fleet doctrines Amarr is king. Legion is pvp king in W-space.

I'd love to hear as well. All I ever hear about being in W-space is Loki and Tengu. Would be great to hear Legion does something better ;)

look at any major pvp w-space alliance/corp's killboard and you will see what I mean. but yeah devoter, guardian, HAM brawler legion (capless guns), neut legion, lazor legion, bhaalgorn, absolution, damnation, revelation, archons, list goes on... all staples of big c5-c6 wormhole groups.

As a small-scale PvP pilot, I don't see how Amarr can be considered equal to even Gallente, much less Minmatar. Heck, I'd say Caldari are ahead.

But I do see where these speaches 'Amarr are good' come from. If all you're doing is pressing a button upon FC command, then yeah, Amarr might be a good choice.

All in all, having races balanced by PvP scale is simply moronic. In that case everyone meets pretty much the same ships all over again, the difference is those are A, B and C for a soloer and X, Y and Z for a blobtard.

I think it's because the ships you listed for amarr are niche ships. A lot of people play amarr wanting heavy armor and laser beams of death. When you look at the ships of that basic Ammarian doctrine is when things look greener everywhere else. you grudgingly semi included harbinger, agreed its not bad the others are just better. But in pvp the most used ship class seems to be BC, or cruisers for poor folks which is what all races get compared by, right or wrong.

Sum it up, amarr has awesome ships. But a race is judged usually by its vanilla ships which aren't the ones anyone raves about when talking about amarr.

Agreed, and highlighted the cap bonuses. Amarr feels the most vulnerable to neuts as it is in pvp (may be perception, but hey, its my view).

and you forgot:

Legion = ...well, something!

As said above, I'm expecting some really hard punching from Amarr solo boats. Listing Curse among those is . Also I'd like to have different options within the same ship, just like Matari and, to lesser extent, Gallente do. Atm Amarr neither provide hard punching nor they have diverse options. That's surely mostly my personal view, but I don't see anything Amarr could potentially offer as counterparts for: NH, Tengu, Mach, Sleip, Vindi or even Golem. Bhaal is niche, Nightmare is pathetically slow and hardly usable in dynamic environment, Abso is lacking is many ways, plain tech1 batteships are meh for solo (while both Phoon and Pest are quite good) and Legion lacks DPS for my taste. I guess I've covered the 'assault' department.

I think that pointing out a few iconic ships and claiming that Amarr is bad at solo because they don't have these ships is pretty bizarre. Just as Amarr doesn't have the Vindi Sleip or Tengu, neither does anyone else have the Curse, Oracle, or Bhaalgorn. It truly boggles my mind that you can go from saying that the Curse is bad to saying the NH is good.

Seeing as how you included the Tengu on this list (which is pretty meh without Loki+Tengu links backing it up), I'm going to assume that you're not interested in "true solo". With equal pimpage and links, the Zealot and Legion are perfectly acceptable substitutes here and are probably more effective than you give them credit for. Once you start moving this play style up to the Mach, the Oracle also becomes a good stand in.

You went on to talk about the Vindi and Golem for their raw damage application power. The Vindi is indeed impressive but is easily kited and crippled by range. One thing that I think you missed is that the Paladin is actually pretty good for this. It's got a strong active tank, good DPS, and fantastic general damage application. Furthermore, it's just flat superior to the Golem because you can trade your Crystals for Grails. Yeah it doesn't have the Raw Damage of the Vindi, but sometimes it's not all about Raw Damage eh?

The biggest down side to Amarr right now is that they're ill equipped to take use ASBs on their own ships. On the other hand, they're perfectly positioned to take advantage of the ASB Craze.

-Liang

Duuude, try the Executioner out. It's not as nice as the Slicer but it's pretty damn fine. Also, with Med Pulse and Med Beams getting buffed... !

Anyway, the Arbitrator is actually a pretty great solo ship. ASB fit with drone damage mods, it's easily superior to the Vexor.

-Liang

Amarr ships are great, but I think they do better in a PVP role than as mission-runners. The inability of lasers to do much kinetic/explosive damage really hurts Amarr boats (esp. against Angels) in missions. If you look at the DPS a Drake can put out as opposed to a Harby (with high fitting skills), for example, you see the problem. The Harby is good, but a Drake eats it for lunch in mission-running. Or take the Omen: good laser boat, but a properly fitted Caracal will outperform it in nearly any mission-running scenario.

Caldari ships are the kings of PVE mainly due to the flexibility, damage, and range of missiles. The only really decent Amarr missile boat is the Sacrilege, and it's both expensive and hard to train into for low SP chars. It's easier, cheaper, and faster to just train the Caracal instead.

Same goes for Destroyers: the Coercer is fine, but is outperformed by the Catalyst and the Thrasher.

This is ultimately the problem with the Amarr lineup: lots of good ships, but none are really "best in class" for their role.