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More FW changes on SiSi

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Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#781 - 2012-05-17 19:47:54 UTC
Does anybody know how often the "Control Stats" are updated? There is absolutely no way we could hold the 10+ systems to level V to hit even the first tier of control upgrades. I forsee planned time events to plex and cash out LP stores by dumping LP into systems, farming like crazy, cashing out, and then doing nothing for several days. The other side can easily drain all your upgrades while you sleep.

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#782 - 2012-05-17 19:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Has anyone tried testing on SISI to contest a system with zero upgrades? (ie no LP in the bunker)

I'm wondering if the system is not upgraded, will still pay out LP for offensive plexing.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#783 - 2012-05-17 20:07:56 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Has anyone tried testing on SISI to contest a system with zero upgrades? (ie no LP in the bunker)

I'm wondering if the system is not upgraded, will still pay out LP for offensive plexing.


From my understand from the dev blog plexing pays lp no matter what AND hurts the joint lp bucket thing.

That is the consequence for not showing up to defend the bunker your LP gets drained as well.

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#784 - 2012-05-17 21:27:56 UTC
Andre Vauban wrote:
Does anybody know how often the "Control Stats" are updated? There is absolutely no way we could hold the 10+ systems to level V to hit even the first tier of control upgrades. I forsee planned time events to plex and cash out LP stores by dumping LP into systems, farming like crazy, cashing out, and then doing nothing for several days. The other side can easily drain all your upgrades while you sleep.



Yes I agree this may be what people do. But it would take allot of lp and therefore a coodinated effort to do this.


As far as people draining your lp while you sleep I suppose they would but you gain lp from doing offensive plexes 2xs as fast as they will be able to drain yours. So I'm not sure you would defend it even if you were awake and solely concerned about lp.


Anyway now that I know a bit more about how the lp banks work I think this is looking allot better than I initially thought. They definitely put some thought into this I will give them credit there.

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Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#785 - 2012-05-17 21:49:56 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Andre Vauban wrote:
Does anybody know how often the "Control Stats" are updated? There is absolutely no way we could hold the 10+ systems to level V to hit even the first tier of control upgrades. I forsee planned time events to plex and cash out LP stores by dumping LP into systems, farming like crazy, cashing out, and then doing nothing for several days. The other side can easily drain all your upgrades while you sleep.



Yes I agree this may be what people do. But it would take allot of lp and therefore a coodinated effort to do this.


As far as people draining your lp while you sleep I suppose they would but you gain lp from doing offensive plexes 2xs as fast as they will be able to drain yours. So I'm not sure you would defend it even if you were awake and solely concerned about lp.


Anyway now that I know a bit more about how the lp banks work I think this is looking allot better than I initially thought. They definitely put some thought into this I will give them credit there.


DEATH OF FW IMMINENT, CCP ARE IDIOTS, MINMATARAUS BLOBBASAURUS TOO STONK.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#786 - 2012-05-17 21:55:25 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:

DEATH OF FW IMMINENT, CCP ARE IDIOTS, MINMATARAUS BLOBBASAURUS TOO STONK.


Well that was bizarre. And oddly timed, just as he was beginning to give CCP some credit for coming up with some sensible mechanics. :-P

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#787 - 2012-05-17 22:15:30 UTC
If one side gets curb stomped - absolutely pushed out of their systems - they still have a lot going for them. They would have:

70+ systems to plex
Lots of WT to shoot
Faction Items in huge demand.

The winning side would have some disadvantages. Even though they would have huge LP discounts, they would have:

No offensive plexes to run
Few WT to shoot. My corp's KB has targets getting killed by 15+. That's a very poor LP split. It will get worse if any Amarr quit after said curb stomping.
The only source of LP generation might become, groan, mission running.
Faction Items have floor of market drop out.

Hopefully as time goes on the winning coalition would fall apart via boredom if nothing else. History seems to support that too. At one time the Caldari dominated.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#788 - 2012-05-17 22:27:20 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:

DEATH OF FW IMMINENT, CCP ARE IDIOTS, MINMATARAUS BLOBBASAURUS TOO STONK.


Well that was bizarre. And oddly timed, just as he was beginning to give CCP some credit for coming up with some sensible mechanics. :-P


Oh, crap, yep he did. Sorry, guess I didn't wait to read through the entire post, see all the facts and stuff before I made my snap judgement about what he was saying.



~ironyalert~

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#789 - 2012-05-17 22:33:41 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Hopefully as time goes on the winning coalition would fall apart via boredom if nothing else. History seems to support that too. At one time the Caldari dominated.
Doubtful. Gallente are not Caldari.
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#790 - 2012-05-18 04:46:10 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Hopefully as time goes on the winning coalition would fall apart via boredom if nothing else. History seems to support that too. At one time the Caldari dominated.
Doubtful. Gallente are not Caldari.


Yeah, you never get bored chasing few frigs with two link alts and bc blob, with a titan bridge on stand-by. Since, you know, "gallentes want good fites".

What you really want are "Few diehard people attempting to fight who we can then gank with 4:1 odds, minimum, so we can feel smug about it and say we are the best".
Ahazu Sagam
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#791 - 2012-05-18 05:43:54 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:

DEATH OF FW IMMINENT, CCP ARE IDIOTS, MINMATARAUS BLOBBASAURUS TOO STONK.


Just saying;

Minmatar Milita (5,146 member):
0.033 kills daily per member
2.152 VPs daily per member

Amarr Milita (4,331 Member):
0.041 kills daily per member
2.806 VPs daily per member

Its not the blobbasaurus, stupid balance and mechanics are the problem.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#792 - 2012-05-18 06:04:49 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Hopefully as time goes on the winning coalition would fall apart via boredom if nothing else. History seems to support that too. At one time the Caldari dominated.
Doubtful. Gallente are not Caldari.


Yeah, you never get bored chasing few frigs with two link alts and bc blob, with a titan bridge on stand-by. Since, you know, "gallentes want good fites".

What you really want are "Few diehard people attempting to fight who we can then gank with 4:1 odds, minimum, so we can feel smug about it and say we are the best".

Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. Why give up a good thing?
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#793 - 2012-05-18 06:43:28 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
DEATH OF FW IMMINENT, CCP ARE IDIOTS, MINMATARAUS BLOBBASAURUS TOO STONK.

Patience, needed my morning coffee Big smile .. here we go!
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
If one side gets curb stomped - absolutely pushed out of their systems - they still have a lot going for them. They would have:

70+ systems to plex
Lots of WT to shoot
Faction Items in huge demand.

Unfortunately this would have to be done with zero reships available within reasonable distance, unless one is content with pecking at the periphery which will likely be camped to hell and back (assuming curb stomped means the same to both of us, ie. one side numerically superior).

A collapsed militia is Cearain's worst nightmare coming true, PvE fits will not be optional as running to new plex is a lot easier/faster than having to reship umpteen jumps away.
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
The winning side would have some disadvantages. Even though they would have huge LP discounts, they would have:
No offensive plexes to run
Few WT to shoot. My corp's KB has targets getting killed by 15+. That's a very poor LP split. It will get worse if any Amarr quit after said curb stomping.
The only source of LP generation might become, groan, mission running.
Faction Items have floor of market drop out.

1. Easily mitigated by having an alt running defensive plexes simultaneously, it can be done pretty much 100% AFK when its defensive .. as if it is designed for alts!. Farm those suckers!
2. Blob friendly mechanics means blobby environment, nothing new here. Let me direct you to a potential solution to the blob-to-win issue. Either way, LP-for-Kills will always have to be droplets to avoid alt-farming .. would personally have preferred a system where % module drop decreased as participants increased.
3. Not if you farm your plexes properly and manage which systems are left in enemy hands .. you could have missions with just a couple of jumps required, LP/Hour is insane when the system is gamed, more so with new mechanics (occupancy replaced with sovereignty).
4. Faction items bottomed out almost two years ago. Once you get the x2 modifier, navy ships are same price as now so you stand to get even more ISK as the modifier applies to everything .. x3-4 modifier is just pure luxury really.