Warfare & Tactics

Having cyno jammers in low sec would be game breaking because it would limit the use of super capital fleets in a few low sec systems.

Oh dear it seems I will be unable to get a (hopefully) calm and orderly post out before all the finger pointing and yelling begins, oh well.

There seem to be some issues with this Upcoming patch both good and bad I'll go ahead and address the good things first.

1. Rewards for PvP and Plexing are good: First notice that plexing and PvP are separate, this is because plexing, in my opinion anyway, exists in a sort of quasi state between the two but we might get to that later. Anyway, these are great ways to encourage both activities while reducing the Farming community with the next item on the list. I think Hans was kind of right to view this as a a reason to wait and see what happens with the Patch however I do have an issue with his stance which I'll get to later.

2. Nerf of the FW discount on LP is Good: While those of us (yes me) who spend a large amount of time(and a certain amount of sanity) to grind through FW missions to fund their PvP habit might see this as a bad thing I do not. Now Farmers will have to mission how many umpteen times more to be able to buy the things that were relatively inexpensive before, and now they can just go to High Sec and mission because they can get similar output their with less risk. This SHOULD mean less supply. And if my bare minimum economic skills are right less supply, as long as demand remains the same, equals higher prices which is good for our faction market.

"But the loss of the discount will mean that WE will have to mission more too." Some of you might say. Not necessarily true, if you are active in the FW PvP/Plexing Arena this income should make up some of the difference if not most of it, it depends on the scale of the PvP Reward system their using which i will also get too later. Also the hopefully higher sell prices of your faction rewards should also make more of the difference.

3. Reducing the Value a Plex on Occupancy is Kinda Good: While it didn't really matter to me before, with the advent of consequences for Occupancy(I refuse to call it Sov because I ******* hate references to 0.0) this make sure that its at least more difficult for a single TZ Group to capture a system while those systems occupants are asleep or at work. However 40 Hours of Plexing? Really? Seems a bit much, nobody is gonna bother because that 40 Hours will translate into a constant two week grind back and forth between forces until one either gives up or wins.

"But thats great MOAR PVP" Some people will say, well maybe not. How many of YOU would spend 40 hours of Plex grinding, no roaming with the necessary breaks in PvP after people have bashed apart their nearby ships(which are probably farther apart now) or would you just move all your assets to High Sec where they would be safe, and PvP at your leisure without Alarm Clock CTA's(Anybody else notice how many of these changes seems to bleed Null Sec?) or worrying about said assets. Honestly the only people I know who would do it on a consistent basis would be Val, Damar of course and maybe X Gal.

I think It would be better if the time was somewhere around 24 hours so that a dedicated group of people could do it but less dedicated people wouldn't find it so worthless and lose interest like they did before the original plexing changes.

4. Possible Imbalance of LP with Kills is a possible Bad: This is probably one of the easiest problems to solve, Its pretty easy to imagine the system. If a BC kills a BC they should get(a reasonable LP I think is 20,000 about the same LP as most level 4 missions). If the size and/or tech of the ship that does the killing goes up the reward goes down and vice versa. The only tricky part is going to be whether or not the LP is distributed between those others who participated on the kills. This is one of the most easily solved bads in my opinion, even if a ship rewards its market amount in LP, there is no Profit in farming an alt because you well...you get no profit.

5. Infrastructure Hubs: This is typically a meh in my opinion. But there are some fundamental problems with CCP's Idea. If were going to devote our hard earned blood(or sanity) money to upgrades for a system, they should be upgrades that we alone can exploit. I don't want to spend my LP for an extra manufacturing slot, only to have some neutral grab it up why should I bother? The LP should be spent on stuff like, improving the rats in plexes, decreasing the cost when we repair OUR ship and such like.

6. And now we come to the main issue,Complete Lock out Stations is B-A-D BAD: For those who don't seem to understand let me tell you what has kept Faction Warfare alive through almost half a decade of neglect. The ease of PvP and the network of beloved friends and hated enemies resultant thereof. Its not that this change will cut off PvP, as far as I know with current game mechanics and the current group of people I don't think we will ever stop fighting each other, its that it will make it HARDER for us to PvP, especially when it comes to plexing. With two roaming gangs when one loses it usually disbands or go's elsewhere for a fight, thus reship times are not to much of an issue. Although if the losing fleet might want to re-engage a faster reship time is better so that the winning fleet doesn't lose interest.

However if a plex timer is involved, reshipping is CRITICAL. Many hardcore plexers have ships sprinkled all over the area for ease of access, much of that would go away if this happens.

I think its better if instead of fighting for docking rights, we fight for OCCUPANCY rights. Their are all KINDS of ways to give a stick to people when it comes to station services, things you take for granted like the infinite amount of ship and hold space you get along with the myriad other changes people have propo. Im not the first to propose this, in fact our illustrious representative Hans is a main supporter of this idea. And this provides enough of a stick to people

Special Quick post about Hans. I also believe you are doing a superb Job as our representative and I still support you 100%. Dig in those heals brother show that trademark Militia stubbornness when it comes to dealing with CCP's ignorance, don't give up hope. Show them that a EVE that has to conform to the whims of 0.0 is not an EVE worth playing.

It will probably be based off a percent of the systems you own within your own section of FW. One thing that I think does need to happen (especially if it takes 40 hours of uninterrupted plexing to take a system) is to remove the bonus points you get for plexing in a system that was originally your factions (right now it would take the gallente 30 plexes to take a system in black rise, whereas the caldari would only have to take roughly 20 plexes in contrast). There is bonus VP if the occupancy is yours, and there is bonus VP awarded if the sovereignty of the system was your factions. I think the bonus VP should be abolished, since pre-december with the outpost changes FW was so stale because of the spawning/bonus VP mechanics that each faction held their own sovereign space and did not occupy enemy space. It literally took months to make systems vulnerable. There was no feeling of making progress or change, so only the "hardcore" plexers really participated. Once the outpost respawn changes were made, plexing felt something within reach to the wider FW population. Players felt like they were accomplishing something and participation in plexing went up. I can understand why X gal doesn't want flipping systems to take so long, because players don't have any sense of progression like it was in the past. However, I can see hans point of view as with station lockouts becoming a reality shortly, 6-7 hours is really too short of a time. Players could go to sleep and wake up to see their assets locked out. I think that is more damaging to FW than anything. A longer time to flip systems is necessary, and I feel that we should give the whole factor of 5 thing a try, given that each militia gets the same amount of VP for taking a plex, I really don't think having a 30% bonus to VP for the system being originally your factions is necessary. I don't think there will be need for any bonus VP at all since the defending militia will have a home field advantage anyway with being able to reship in system and the other militia cannot. Each side should have to put in the same amount of effort, and if there is to be any bonus VP for defenders it needs to be smaller than the 30% (20 to 30 plex example). I think 10% is more appropriate. (Also, if you reduce the amount of plexes needed below the factor of 5 threshhold, keep the defending bonus VP, removing the defending bonuses is just necessary with the factor of 5 (150 plexes) because the map will just stagnate)

On another note, I logged onto sisi and did a couple plexes (both offensive and defensive) and did not receive any LP, anyone know why? Does it take a certain amount of time to pay out?

CCP- Get rid of the assembly line bonus. It's not like there's a shortage of factory slots in lowsec. And do not allow neutrals to use the discounts mentioned above.

Instead;

Allow for

-faster production time for the assembly lines. Maybe 5% per level up to 25%.
-extra research labs. Perhaps 1 extra research lab per level. Though, I'm not even sure if there's enough or any research labs in the FW systems?

These bonuses should apply only to FW pilots. The extra research slots would certainly be of great appeal to the industrialists that is in every major militia corps. All strong militia corps have some sort of industrial backbone and the usage of research labs would greatly benefit militia corps from an indy perspective.

I'm all for pew and having LP for pew, but even all great wars are fueled by elements industrialism.

WHAT? O.O I better get in contact with my old contacts! When did they let alliances back into FW? and hey I waited a long time for some changes don't blame me for not being up to date anymore.

You good sir, are the best member on the CSM

I catch them all time buddy u just need to believe

Make it so neutrals cant even dock in our stations either. Really put the squeeze on people. Gal mil should be the only ones allowed to dock in the area >:D From OMS to Tama. and Suj too >:D

If Cal mil cant dock in our station neither should neutrals. I dont care about you squids or neutrals in the area, shoudlve joined gal mil.

Also please make it so we can elect certain corps to head the miltia to make decisions like seeing which corps/people can join our miltia.

Also I cant wait to place two different alts in the differnet miltias and have them shoot each other ALL DAY in cheap frigs to make isk. Ty CCP, made my life easier for once xoxo

Hans if you want some more input on FW changes - read my post.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1244253#post1244253