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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Kalea Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4261 - 2012-04-10 20:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalea Hashur
It sort of boggles my mind that people put so much worth in their avatars. This isn't a beauty pageant game. Sure, your avatar can be considered a calling card in some fashion I suppose. But most of them are so similar that uniqueness is lost (how many guys in shades and leathers can you look at before they begin to blend?). Myself, I keep them turned off in chats because they take up too much room and they don't really mean much. Your ship is the important thing. If the design team had focused on ships and modifications that could be bought with AUR, the stuff would have flown off the virtual shelves. Puttings fins or extra engines on ships, different paint jobs, design motifs. THAT would have been awesome.

I understand different people put value in different things. Personally, i don't see any value added to the game from WiS gameplay. By and large, it is my opinion that people don't want to sit around a virtual bar shooting the breeze in a game that is by and large about spaceships and fitting and flying them and the industry that goes with it. If they do, they should consider playing a different game, because this one can't be EVERYthing. It has a focus and a purpose already. I don't need to walk around a station to get things done when I have buttons for them on my Necom. I don't need a way to trade illegals when there isn't much purpose to them. If that changes in the future, cool. But it still doesn't have much to do with WiS.

From what I've seen so far, WiS doesn't really have much to do with DUST either.


My .02 ISK for your consideration.


In any case, I am definitely thankful for those working on the UI! <3
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#4262 - 2012-04-10 21:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:


So pls don,t repeat old trolls and make one of your own


a.) how old is that "troll" you are quoting out of curiosity?
b.) The language used in that link shows them playing down Incarna as a prototype

"Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced."

Like theyre trying to calm the prople who are interested in WoD after the uproar here

c.) the part wheer everyone though it was "shelved" was from a announcement BY CCP using the language "shelved" themselves (Im sure someone can find it, Ive been out of the game pretty much since this all happened and wouldnt know where to look anymore). So talking like its just us WiS haters screaming about nothing is misleading as well.

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As for the people who left, they were the WiS'ers. While yeah some were of other professions, I would argue mostly a mixed bag of players. But your lame argument of it being only the non WiS wanting people is false. You can spin it how ever you want it but it'll still be false. So go ahead tell me I'm wrong please, pretty please.


Yes, please prove that it was ONLY WiS ppl that left.
Ill wait. Cause there still seem to be plenty here otherwise this thread would die

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4263 - 2012-04-11 02:32:39 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:


So pls don,t repeat old trolls and make one of your own


a.) how old is that "troll" you are quoting out of curiosity?
b.) The language used in that link shows them playing down Incarna as a prototype

"Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced."

Like theyre trying to calm the prople who are interested in WoD after the uproar here

c.) the part wheer everyone though it was "shelved" was from a announcement BY CCP using the language "shelved" themselves (Im sure someone can find it, Ive been out of the game pretty much since this all happened and wouldnt know where to look anymore). So talking like its just us WiS haters screaming about nothing is misleading as well.

Quote:
As for the people who left, they were the WiS'ers. While yeah some were of other professions, I would argue mostly a mixed bag of players. But your lame argument of it being only the non WiS wanting people is false. You can spin it how ever you want it but it'll still be false. So go ahead tell me I'm wrong please, pretty please.


Yes, please prove that it was ONLY WiS ppl that left.
Ill wait. Cause there still seem to be plenty here otherwise this thread would die



the wis and wod connection are one of the repeating trolls here ,like all the other ones

Some blog stating the change of direction by CCP to focus on FIS and console crap ,CCP indeed stated that WIS and WOD were on the backburner (at least that was a lot if people ,including me thought)
Was suprised to see WOD still had a 60 man dev team


and again i like the changes and love from CCP FIS had until now,but still want the WIS addon to the game
and it don,t have to be done at the expense of FIS


R.S.I2014
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4264 - 2012-04-11 03:30:02 UTC
Kalea Hashur wrote:
It sort of boggles my mind that people put so much worth in their avatars. This isn't a beauty pageant game. Sure, your avatar can be considered a calling card in some fashion I suppose. But most of them are so similar that uniqueness is lost (how many guys in shades and leathers can you look at before they begin to blend?). Myself, I keep them turned off in chats because they take up too much room and they don't really mean much. Your ship is the important thing. If the design team had focused on ships and modifications that could be bought with AUR, the stuff would have flown off the virtual shelves. Puttings fins or extra engines on ships, different paint jobs, design motifs. THAT would have been awesome.

I understand different people put value in different things. Personally, i don't see any value added to the game from WiS gameplay. By and large, it is my opinion that people don't want to sit around a virtual bar shooting the breeze in a game that is by and large about spaceships and fitting and flying them and the industry that goes with it. If they do, they should consider playing a different game, because this one can't be EVERYthing. It has a focus and a purpose already. I don't need to walk around a station to get things done when I have buttons for them on my Necom. I don't need a way to trade illegals when there isn't much purpose to them. If that changes in the future, cool. But it still doesn't have much to do with WiS.

From what I've seen so far, WiS doesn't really have much to do with DUST either.


My .02 ISK for your consideration.


In any case, I am definitely thankful for those working on the UI! <3

Wow, so many incorrect statements due to misinformation I almost feel sorry for you.

Allowing ships and modifications to be sold in the NEX Store was one of the major complaints players raged about during the Jita Riots. Hence the term 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships'. Basically it would be exploitation of a 'pay to win' option bypassing the market and player ability to do invention and production. The option to paint or have corp logo placed on ships could be sold thru the NEX Store but it would have to be an unlimited use option. Players are not going to pay for that each time they replace their ships.

CCP has stated from the very beginning that Eve Online is more than just a spaceship simulator. CCP's vision is a SyFy virtual reality which includes Avatars and WiS content. PI and DUST514 is the planetside ground base aspect of this SyFy virtual reality. Nobody is being forced to participate in WiS content. That was another big issue during the Jita Riots which was corrected.

Just because WiS doesn't fit into your idea of game play, that's no reason to tell players to go to another game. If you don't like the way how Eve Online is evolving, maybe you should consider going to another game. I for one would much rather have the option to hang out in a virtual bar shooting the breeze with other players than sit alone in the docking bay spinning ships.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#4265 - 2012-04-11 03:38:02 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Wow, so many incorrect statements due to misinformation I almost feel sorry for you.

Allowing ships and modifications to be sold in the NEX Store was one of the major complaints players raged about during the Jita Riots. Hence the term 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships'. Basically it would be exploitation of a 'pay to win' option bypassing the market and player ability to do invention and production. The option to paint or have corp logo placed on ships could be sold thru the NEX Store but it would have to be an unlimited use option. Players are not going to pay for that each time they replace their ships.

CCP has stated from the very beginning that Eve Online is more than just a spaceship simulator. CCP's vision is a SyFy virtual reality which includes Avatars and WiS content. PI and DUST514 is the planetside ground base aspect of this SyFy virtual reality. Nobody is being forced to participate in WiS content. That was another big issue during the Jita Riots which was corrected.

Just because WiS doesn't fit into your idea of game play, that's no reason to tell players to go to another game. If you don't like the way how Eve Online is evolving, maybe you should consider going to another game. I for one would much rather have the option to hang out in a virtual bar shooting the breeze with other players than sit alone in the docking bay spinning ships.


as long as they give us the option to turn it off, im down. Forcing everyone down that path (like they were GOING to do) isnt what Im looking for and if they DO go that way I wont be the only one that finds a new game Im betting lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Selinate
#4266 - 2012-04-11 03:40:38 UTC
Bottom Line: with the introduction of avatars into this game, an entire range of absolutely awesome possibilities of game play were introduced also. A type of multidimensional game play can take form in this game now to a degree that was never possible before, no matter what way you look at it. Just look at fanfest and their idea with having avatars explore sleeper ruins. That, in itself, is an awesome concept of game play while using avatars. I would even be absolutely ecstatic if they let my avatar have a gun and battle armor so that I can fight in stations and in ruins also. This would make the game complete for me, and I would never take a hiatus from eve again if it were introduced (I know Dust might take over this instead, but that's just my opinion anyway).

This is not to mention that the introduction of avatars makes the game just that much more immerse for such a large portion of the player base. Here's the thing that I don't understand, though. This is a sandbox. It is advertised as a sandbox. The entire point of this game is that it is a huge sandbox. Then why are you people trying to make me play the game your way? If I choose WiS over FiS, then that is my decision so that I can have fun in the sandbox. Quite honestly, if you disagree with that, you can shove it.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#4267 - 2012-04-11 04:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:


the wis and wod connection are one of the repeating trolls here ,like all the other ones



I asked how old cause I hadnt seen it since coming back to the game (pretty much since the argument started lol)

but just cause you dont agree with them doesnt make them a troll
The WiS and WoD connection was there pretty much because when one got shut down the other did too and it really didnt take a rocket scientist to see THAT connection lol

White Wolf got most of its studio (at the time) chopped, they "put on the back burner" WoD and WiS.
It looked bacak then like there was a connection given thats what we were being told.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
RAP ACTION HERO
#4268 - 2012-04-11 05:39:00 UTC
I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.

You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem.
Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips.
Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems.
Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments.
and you can figure the rest

You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF.

vitoc erryday
Kalea Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4269 - 2012-04-11 06:33:45 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Wow, so many incorrect statements due to misinformation I almost feel sorry for you.


No need. I wasn't speaking of a pay to win system, simply SHIP cosmetics rather than buying monocles and boots with higher heels.

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#4270 - 2012-04-11 06:41:17 UTC
Kalea Hashur wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Wow, so many incorrect statements due to misinformation I almost feel sorry for you.


No need. I wasn't speaking of a pay to win system, simply SHIP cosmetics rather than buying monocles and boots with higher heels.



What is the harm in letting people have both? Some people like to make their avatars look good. I know I do. I tweak my avatar sometimes when I'm waiting for a fleet to form up to take out a POS. Or if I'm just checking market orders or logged in while doing forums crap. It's not like this WiS stuff is really hurting anyone.

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4271 - 2012-04-11 15:02:06 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:


the wis and wod connection are one of the repeating trolls here ,like all the other ones



I asked how old cause I hadnt seen it since coming back to the game (pretty much since the argument started lol)

but just cause you dont agree with them doesnt make them a troll
The WiS and WoD connection was there pretty much because when one got shut down the other did too and it really didnt take a rocket scientist to see THAT connection lol

White Wolf got most of its studio (at the time) chopped, they "put on the back burner" WoD and WiS.
It looked bacak then like there was a connection given thats what we were being told.



Maybe a downsized team ,but a 60 men team on a program isn,t really putting it on the backburner.

And sorry if i made a mistake ,if you did not troll or trying to.
But the fact that wis is a beta for wod is used a troll before ,i don,t go searching for it (too lazy) but they were made.

R.S.I2014
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#4272 - 2012-04-11 16:45:03 UTC
I think there are no WiS fans that object to your button. It is there, it will stay. Why shouldn't it? You don't want to be on the station as an avatar, stay in the dock view. It is fine.

If game content is added to WiS and you want to play it, sometimes you will have to click that button again. If said game content does not interest you, ignore it. I think there are a lot of opportunities in station based content, though I agree the main focus should be on space content.

I would still prefer a fully-fledged Space Simulation to what EVE is today. Which sometimes I feel is less than it was at Apocrypha stage and before, as the whole focus seems to be on PVP. A more intelligent & constructive EVE (again) might not hurt. And I do not limit that view to adding WiS content, there are a lot of non-PVP areas that could use some love.

And I agree, it was CCP in one of Hilmar's interviews and some Dev Blog quoting him a few months ago that said WiS is on the backburner, which at the time - and for me even today - feels like:
"You'll be stuck in the hamster cage for a looong time.. No Soon TM at all..."

I'm too lazy to find the links now though.

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Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4273 - 2012-04-11 16:55:31 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.

You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem.
Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips.
Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems.
Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments.
and you can figure the rest

You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF.

What's wrong with Aurum? If anything they should expand Aurum and do away with PLEX. Aurum has way more flexibilty in application.

Aurum and PLEX are the same thing, some people just can't accept it because they can't handle change(see what I did there?).
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#4274 - 2012-04-11 18:18:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Soulpirate wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.

You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem.
Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips.
Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems.
Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments.
and you can figure the rest

You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF.

What's wrong with Aurum? If anything they should expand Aurum and do away with PLEX. Aurum has way more flexibilty in application.

Aurum and PLEX are the same thing, some people just can't accept it because they can't handle change(see what I did there?).



See STO... it wasnt long till the devs were telling ppl on the forums that if it wasnt for the store where they sell them, theyd have no interest in even making the stuff in there (which ended up being all the new additions to the game). And that was before the game went free.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4275 - 2012-04-11 18:35:47 UTC
You should go see Guild Wars 2 micro transaction system and who they decided they should copy.

-Vix

SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program
RAP ACTION HERO
#4276 - 2012-04-12 02:29:10 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
I make a most ominous prophecy, wis or ambulation, or whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a vehicle for MT and aurem sales. hillmar is getting korean whispers from his partners at nexon.

You want clothes, tattoos? buy aurem.
Gambling? no you can't wager isk only aurem chips.
Establishments? a space bar/club will require a starbase charter priced at x aurems.
Corp rooms war rooms? same, per month aurem payments.
and you can figure the rest

You want it, you pay for it, personally, avatar chatting isn't important for me, I won't pay, and there better be an esc checkbox to turn all that OFF.

What's wrong with Aurum? If anything they should expand Aurum and do away with PLEX. Aurum has way more flexibilty in application.

Aurum and PLEX are the same thing, some people just can't accept it because they can't handle change(see what I did there?).


There is nothing wrong with aurem, except the scrubs who whine about how expensive it is.

vitoc erryday
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#4277 - 2012-04-12 02:34:11 UTC
Stellar Vix wrote:
You should go see Guild Wars 2 micro transaction system and who they decided they should copy.

-Vix


Id rather just ask. The game really hasnt grabbed my attention.

ANOTHER fantasy mmo is not what Im looking for right now

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4278 - 2012-04-12 17:06:31 UTC
What they need to do is sell PLEX of various sizes in the NeX store. 7 day, 14 day, 30 day etc. Also they should allow players to break up their Aurum into tokens of various sizes to sell any unwanted Aurum. They would have to stop selling GTC and sell large Aurum tokens in their place.


At the moment, if you want to buy anything from the NeX store, buying tokens is much cheaper and makes more sense than converting PLEX as you are less likley to end up with extra.

I think Aurum tokens are the new PLEX.
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4279 - 2012-04-12 21:48:04 UTC
Player created content

Mini Games
looking at some of the "indy space games" see some good stuff.

Was wondering if it would be possible to import some games into the eve WIS environment. Giving players the opportunity to creat for the game.

Artwork
Allow players to submit player created tattoos to be sold for Aurum - Player who created the tatoo gets like a 10% cut of the price.

Adventures:
With the introduction of the Robot avatars I would like to see a system though markers, ie Corpses, Book Marks. for players to build missions including - Patrols, Scouting, Or pointing to a constilation, pointing to a 8/10 complex that has to be hunt down.
Do these mission need to provide LP or Isk rewards beyond the NPC's they shoot - No really unless the creator of the mission want to donate these resources.
I am assume Goons would put out a bounty - Provide me with a kill mail of a hulk you destroyed in Gellente space and I will reward you with 50mill..
This content would not only allow player creativity but also help fill the void of Theme Park content that some players crave -

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4280 - 2012-04-13 00:01:04 UTC
Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades.

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