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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Avila Cracko
#4281 - 2012-04-13 00:08:20 UTC
Yoma Karima wrote:
Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades.


Off topic:
I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that...
You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not. Big smile

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4282 - 2012-04-13 00:43:24 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
Yoma Karima wrote:
Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades.


Off topic:
I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that...
You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not. Big smile

Having asteroids break up on contact is something CCP is looking to implement, probably in 2013.

http://youtu.be/8k7oaz8mWug

Check out the face on the asteroid at 4:10 to 4:40, lol.
MR DEMOS
DKL Fringe Division
3 Jackals
#4283 - 2012-04-13 01:19:21 UTC
been at this game for over 6 years now.. I recently went to STO for a bit of a break Since it's good to get away. I'll admit that Some of the stuff in STO is pretty cool the mechanics of the PVE missions making you actually think and doing some basic problem solving i found that pretty interesting. As for the rest of it it's Grind grind grind ... that i don't like. WIS has been talked about for years.. I honestly think CCP needs to get the Space part waorked out first and do some really cool things with the game Mechanics before that can be transfered to WIS.
Citizen Jared
Amphysvena
#4284 - 2012-04-13 02:25:35 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Sadly, this is exactly why a lot of game developers don't promise to implement whatever the players demand.

For the record, Incarna/WiS was lusted after for years, it was very popular and used to be know as Ambulation back when everyone wanted it.

Even more hilarious is that hundreds of players unsubbed over that time because CCP hadn't delivered Ambulation yet, and they were all waiting.

Than, CCP finally gets to it, calls it Incarna, and every cries foul and wants their spaceships back.

CCP promises to give spaceships more attention, and people start unsubbing again because they've stopped work on Incarna.

Its almost comical, but the lesson to be learned is that player demand/feedback is only worth so much. Apparently, the player base has no patience when it comes to having a company develop custom technologies to suit their every whim.

No matter what CCP does, they are "screwing over" someone. No matter what they announce, people will unsub over it.

/thread
T-B0NE
Doomheim
#4285 - 2012-04-13 02:58:09 UTC
I motion that WIS in it's current form be removed and replaced with "Dust 514 PC version".

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#4286 - 2012-04-13 03:07:19 UTC
You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

RAP ACTION HERO
#4287 - 2012-04-13 04:11:14 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.

sorry, can you eloborate on this a bit

vitoc erryday

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4288 - 2012-04-13 04:17:17 UTC
I am wondering how much of Dust 514 can be ported to WIS.

The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine.
When PS4 comes out and Dust moves to that platform. we may actually see some porting back and forth from WIS, Dust and WOD

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Flamespar
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
#4289 - 2012-04-13 06:18:38 UTC
Gevlin wrote:
I am wondering how much of Dust 514 can be ported to WIS.

The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine.
When PS4 comes out and Dust moves to that platform. we may actually see some porting back and forth from WIS, Dust and WOD


I remember reading somewhere that CCP creates high detailed models and then uses them to create the lesser detailed models that end up in the game. So the higher quality suff might actually be available.

Personally I think that dust514 is going to increase the demand for avatar related gameplay in EVE. Simply because dust players will come to EVE who are used to avatars. And also because EVE players will see how much fun dust players are having with their avatars.

Besides. You can't T-Bad your enemy with a spaceship.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4290 - 2012-04-13 06:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Avila Cracko wrote:
Yoma Karima wrote:
Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades.


Off topic:
I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that...
You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not. Big smile


That's how mining works in X3 games; asteroids are either too big to break so you build a mine on them, or are small and then you fire with a mining laser to break them into smaller chunks and collect them.*


*You can too set up a mining ship to do that off-sector with the appropiate autopilot software.
T-B0NE
Doomheim
#4291 - 2012-04-13 07:19:14 UTC
Gevlin wrote:
The quality of graphics are a lower quality than WIS. Meant to run on a old machine.

My 9800GT card likes the sound of that.

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard

T-B0NE
Doomheim
#4292 - 2012-04-13 07:22:31 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Besides. You can't T-Bad your enemy with a spaceship.
Maybe not, but you can always T-Bone em with a Howitzer. Pirate

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard

Kalea Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4293 - 2012-04-13 15:24:24 UTC
Flamespar wrote:

Personally I think that dust514 is going to increase the demand for avatar related gameplay in EVE. Simply because dust players will come to EVE who are used to avatars. And also because EVE players will see how much fun dust players are having with their avatars.


What is it that Dust514 players will be doing with their avatars other than shooting people in the face? If EVE players want to shoot people in the face rather than the hull, then they should hop on Dust, or another shooter game to facilitate that.

What makes EVE the game that it is... is the play style that it has.

Sure, the Merc "ready room" in orbit that they showed at fanfest was like "whooooa, cool!" because it was new and shiny. I'm on board with that. But after seeing that room after 50 logins, you're just trying to get through it as quick as possible (a la Planetside).

And sure, the video that they showed of the guys docking into a sleeper facility and going inside with enviro / assault suits was pretty freakin cool. But I'd rather see that implemented as part of Dust514, a game that already supports that sort of action, rather than seeing it ad-hocced onto EVE, our spaceship game.

I think of it this way: EVE players hire a team of Dust514 mercs. They fit up a transport ship (maybe a blockade runner), grab the mercs and put them in their cargo. The transport undocks, along with a wing of fighter support. They set off for a wormhole where they found a sleeper installation (maybe it's on a wormhole planet, or just a cosmic signature). Meanwhile, the Dust mercs are playing with their fits in their ready room. They make it to the installation and the mercs undock from the ship and enter the sleeper installation. Now the support wing has to protect the area while the mercs do their jobs inside, because oops, the guys inside set off an alarm and woke up some sleeper security.


What is going to make Dust514 so freaking COOL, will be the interaction and collaboration between the two different styles of play. They shouldn't develop Dust514 and later say, dang, we should put some ships in there for them to fly from system to system! That's for capsuleers.
Avila Cracko
#4294 - 2012-04-13 18:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Avila Cracko
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Avila Cracko wrote:
Yoma Karima wrote:
Asteroids. you remember the old asteroid game where you flew a ship around a 2d field and shoot asteroids breaking them into smaller and smaller peaces. WiS could have retro space game arcades.


Off topic:
I would LOVE to see mining in EVE to be like that...
You shoot roid, it brakes in smaller roids and then by only by color of that parts of that parts, in space, you see which parts to mine/scoop and which not. Big smile


That's how mining works in X3 games; asteroids are either too big to break so you build a mine on them, or are small and then you fire with a mining laser to break them into smaller chunks and collect them.*


*You can too set up a mining ship to do that off-sector with the appropiate autopilot software.



ShockedShockedShocked
blink blink...
That in EVE, please???

And that mining colonies could be players personal CQ. Big smile
You mine, make money and have your own house there...Big smile
Or you can make deep space black market there...Twisted

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#4295 - 2012-04-13 20:21:08 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.

sorry, can you eloborate on this a bit


Okay I think ill have to copy paste this into its own thread. sorry.

Microsoft has network policies in place, they prevent mmo styled patching becuase each deployment would cost 10k usd which isnt much but for a company like ccp those fees hurt. It also prevents talking out of the network to another game network which is why you dont have 'orgin' or 'steam' on the x360 as well. Also because of the policies involved a game on the Xbox live network must use Xbox specific tools for certain things such as voice comms.

If you had a game that was on PC PS3 DS Vita and Wii and you wanted to change a small sampeling of similar rules to the ones in the previous paragraph forget it. The company is going to laugh at you and cosider thier 'share' of the market for that game too diluted to bend over backwards for you.

MS also uses this as a 'bargaining' chip for thier own exclusives for example they waive the fees of patch deployments for CoD which is why all the CoD stuff is on xbox 360 first before it out anywhere else.

PSN had 'similar' network like restrictions. However sony was looking for something to slay halo and Dust 514 is the closest thing they've ran across. When CCP pitched the idea to the sony execs they probably dropped thier jaws in the ambition of CCP's goals with dust 514. Its one of those odd curved balled ideas that might just work you know. So Sony asks CCP what they need from Sony Playstation Network in order for the game to work.

Deployment Fee's Gone.
VIOP Software 3rd party able.
Network connectivity flexibilities
and slews and slews and slews of other little things.

So far sony has gone the miles ccp has asked for. To the point that sony is wanting to model the microtransaction store based on CCP's efforts in dust 514.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#4296 - 2012-04-13 20:39:00 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.


dont think M$ was cool with having a microtransaction system they couldnt get a slice of and Sony is desperate

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4297 - 2012-04-13 20:46:28 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.


dont think M$ was cool with having a microtransaction system they couldnt get a slice of and Sony is desperate


Sounds just like M$ arrogant bastards will rue the day they rejected dust 514.

-Vix

SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#4298 - 2012-04-13 21:06:20 UTC
Stellar Vix wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.


dont think M$ was cool with having a microtransaction system they couldnt get a slice of and Sony is desperate


Sounds just like M$ arrogant bastards will rue the day they rejected dust 514.

-Vix



lol?

Sorry, but this wont be the next Halo.
Unless you play EVE its just another faceless FPS, just one you pay real money for equipment and ammo. Thats a detraction to me not a benefit btw

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#4299 - 2012-04-13 23:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Stellar Vix wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
You do realize that having ps3 exclusive allowed CCP to bend over Sony instead of the other way around. This move may also bend over Microsoft begging to have dust 514 and having that done would allow steam to be on xbox 360 as well.


dont think M$ was cool with having a microtransaction system they couldnt get a slice of and Sony is desperate


Sounds just like M$ arrogant bastards will rue the day they rejected dust 514.

-Vix



lol?

Sorry, but this wont be the next Halo.
Unless you play EVE its just another faceless FPS, just one you pay real money for equipment and ammo. Thats a detraction to me not a benefit btw


Funny you say that, Halo was labeled as such back in the day when nobody ever took console shooters seriously.

In retrospec Medal of Honor had truely horrendous controls. Halo was labeled last gens most underhyped successful game ever.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4300 - 2012-04-14 05:20:42 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1105302#post1105302

Bully Hedro wrote:
Question about the new character skin tones that will be released with Inferno

http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/

Will we have the options to change the complexions on characters that we already created?
Will we have the options to change body changes (ie plastic surgery) for already made characters?

Anyone know? If a dev could comment it would be nice.



CCP karkur wrote:
to answer your questions:
- as far as i know
- as far as i know

- i kind of know, but i'm not 100% (and I'm also not sure if the new skintones will be in Escalation, I'll ask some people tomorrow).


well you own team gives you very little info .

CCP karkur wrote:
Indahmawar, I think she would get a free resculpt too.

It's great to see that you guys are so interested in the characters and their outfits, but just remember that we are focusing now on "FiS" and we are not making any new assets for the characters right now.



Focus on FIS ok good thing.

but what is Team Avatar actually doing at the moment, Avatar or WIS related ?
Nothing?

R.S.I2014