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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Ai Shun
#1361 - 2012-04-02 21:00:33 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Without even reading the post, I have to point out it's dated 04.02, so for an April Fool's, it's a tad late...


Post explains the video it is linked to and can be posted afterwards. I was referring specifically to the video. Plus, by the time most of the world caught up to 1 April it was the 2nd here. Timezones, you know.
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#1362 - 2012-04-03 02:57:24 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be

Just when you thought it went away and now it's back to haunt you. Check 7:00 - 7:40 and lets see who is sorry.
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#1363 - 2012-04-03 04:34:25 UTC
And 10000 goons go silent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be

7:00 - 7:40 is where the good stuff is.
Jaqa
Royale Strategic Imperative
#1364 - 2012-04-03 05:01:31 UTC
I like that quote about how "increasingly, spaceships are serious business."
Internet spaceships will always be internet spaceships to the players.
Internet spaceships are now super serious to CCP.
Please don't let your 'Dust debut' make you uptight.

The Original Jaqalope Pilot of the Transportosaurus Rex 100% Free Range

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1365 - 2012-04-03 12:54:31 UTC
Harry Farina wrote:
And 10000 goons go silent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be

7:00 - 7:40 is where the good stuff is.



Good to see it again!

Don't ban me, bro!

Kerensky White
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1366 - 2012-04-04 02:36:48 UTC
Harry Farina wrote:
And 10000 goons go silent.


Actually, we're just too busy burning things in space right now. It's a lot of fun.
Snot Shot
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1367 - 2012-04-04 02:52:51 UTC
Kerensky White wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
And 10000 goons go silent.


Actually, we're just too busy burning things in space right now. It's a lot of fun.

You mean shooting more structures since you need that giant **** heap of a coalition to take space from anyone....Big smile

Carry on being terrible at EVE and crying about your Martini craping in his own spy space suit......Cool
.

Twitter = @Snot_Shot  - “If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything"

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Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1368 - 2012-04-04 08:07:24 UTC
Just wanted to take this opportunity to post in a goons tears thread. I've only made it 4 pages through but it's incredibly funny so far. Smile
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself ♥
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#1369 - 2012-04-04 10:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Farina
Kerensky White wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
And 10000 goons go silent.


Actually, we're just too busy burning things in space right now. It's a lot of fun.


I concede that number means nothing. Let Mittens know. Oh wait nevermind.
Argyle Jones
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1370 - 2012-04-04 13:17:59 UTC
There is a large grey area between the emergent sandbox game of serious internet spaceships and the real world implications of cyber bullying.

The brutal nature of the EVE Online sandbox means you can cheat, lie, steal, scam, attack the defenseless and generally grief everyone around you, but that doesn't mean you have to.

The Mittani and his compatriots crossed the line well before the alliance panel discussion at FanFest 2012. To break it down so anyone can understand it:

  • Blowing up the guy's 23 mackinaws: OK
  • Scamming the guy into paying billions in protection money: OK
  • Making fun of his depression and personal problems: NOT OK

The issue here being that while we all enjoy nefarious activities from time to time, once someone contacts you in an online game and unloads personal problems of a suicidal nature, it's not a game anymore, it's not fun for anyone involved and the correct thing to do in such a situation is to petition CCP.

Really, it amazes me that people can't tell the difference. This is what your mother meant when she said "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye". Have your fun, but don't take it too far.

How hard is that?

/Yargle
Killer Gandry
Fenghuang Corporation
Ethnobotanical Demonolatry
#1371 - 2012-04-04 13:30:28 UTC
The whole discussion should be about one thing only.

Should The Mittani be removed completely from the CSM 7 or not.
In my opinion the loss of the chair and the 30 day nad was more than enough. The loss of any position within the CSM was over the top.
I have no love for The Mittani, but I have respect for the player behind the character.

He himself appologized and he himself dropped chair. He himself accepts the 30 day ban. I wonder why the need of so many people to keep on kicking the person behind the character.
I have done theatre, tabletops, LARP's and so much more. I played and I was storyteller, I was asset in the form of NPC and I have played far worse persons than The Mittani. Yet nobody ever saw the need to put my person on the same line as the one I played.

I know actors who came within their role a tad too much, professionals who had to play certain feelings/behaviour over a certain amount of time that at some point the border between reality and fiction became blurry.
This is a pretty natural reaction if people consider this. This doesn't make the person behind it good or bad. It's a mistake our own mind presses onto us after a prolonged period of thoughtformatting through play.

It would be a sign of maturity if people would start accepting that everyone has his or her bad days and makes mistakes. Some are bad and some are less bad. If someone is mature enough to reckognize what he or she did was bad and appologizes for it then why can't the rest be mature enough to accept it at some point without stopping even lower than the level of behaviour they are so furious about in the first place.

Delilah Wild
Concordokken Holdings
#1372 - 2012-04-04 14:14:20 UTC
Mature people do not turn a blind eye or make excuses for an act that in some jurisdictions might be considered actionable, and without doubt, is morally reprehensible.

Founder, Coalition of Anti-Pirates

Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1373 - 2012-04-04 14:20:03 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
I have no love for The Mittani, but I have respect for the player behind the character.


I'm the opposite, I have respect for the feats the ingame character has achieved.
After seeing him in person at fanfest, I found him to be a bit of a tool.

CSM is a privilege, not your "right".
Rules of the game do apply as serving as part of the CSM (for the game), on an alliance panel (for the game) talking to players (of the game) at a festival (about the game) held by the people who develop the game seems to be pretty related to the game, no?

inb4 lost the game.

Also, please continue with goon tears and unsub pictures - those were the best ♥
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself ♥
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#1374 - 2012-04-04 15:05:23 UTC
ILikeMarkets wrote:
For those who haven't had a chance to see, I thought I would repost this little gem. :) This is a pretty interesting video to listen to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SKC00a0ovTA#t=0s

ESPECIALLY this part, where Mittani tells the name of his talk and what it will be about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SKC00a0ovTA#t=413s

"The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance Presentation is going to be 'Goonswarm Hates you'. And basically just talk about each different little aspect... demographic of EVE. Of how much we hate and want people to die and kill themselves. Like, highsec miners: We want them to kill themselves. People who roleplay? We want them to kill themselves. People with Titans? We want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people who I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of a thousand nerds."


with the vid shown taking place before fanfest and with a dev taking part it is clear then this matter needs a internal investigated.
being planed ahead of time removes mittans (i was drunk #) excuse.
soundwave had prier knowledge what mittans was going to say and with that he had a duty to foreword the information to ccp.
but with soundwave being goons t20 guy at ccp its plain and clear that ccp is being lead down a track they have experience with.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1375 - 2012-04-04 15:28:43 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
wanking monkey girl wrote:
ILikeMarkets wrote:
For those who haven't had a chance to see, I thought I would repost this little gem. :) This is a pretty interesting video to listen to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SKC00a0ovTA#t=0s

ESPECIALLY this part, where Mittani tells the name of his talk and what it will be about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SKC00a0ovTA#t=413s

"The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance Presentation is going to be 'Goonswarm Hates you'. And basically just talk about each different little aspect... demographic of EVE. Of how much we hate and want people to die and kill themselves. Like, highsec miners: We want them to kill themselves. People who roleplay? We want them to kill themselves. People with Titans? We want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people who I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of a thousand nerds."


with the vid shown taking place before fanfest and with a dev taking part it is clear then this matter needs a internal investigated.
being planed ahead of time removes mittans (i was drunk #) excuse.
soundwave had prier knowledge what mittans was going to say and with that he had a duty to foreword the information to ccp.
but with soundwave being goons t20 guy at ccp its plain and clear that ccp is being lead down a track they have experience with.



If soundwave only knew what was on that video ,he did not know that mittani was doing this on 1 person and asking people to harras this guy.

R.S.I2014

Slumber Hawk
Shadow on the moon
#1376 - 2012-04-04 16:41:22 UTC
Harry Farina wrote:
And 10000 goons go silent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be

7:00 - 7:40 is where the good stuff is.


so we got
- intend
- preparation (the slide)
- execution

CCP is praying on their knees that it will be all fine?
Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1377 - 2012-04-04 19:46:54 UTC
Quote:
with the vid shown taking place before fanfest and with a dev taking part it is clear then this matter needs a internal investigated.
being planed ahead of time removes mittans (i was drunk #) excuse.

He has repeatedly disavowed this excuse. Furthermore, the_Mittani goes on to say he hopes to offend people, not to actually make anyone kill themselves as he's been painted by everyone.

He still made a poor decision but there was no premeditation to make anyone kill themselves.
Cosmic Fart
Doomheim
#1378 - 2012-04-05 00:19:12 UTC
All of you who are quitting because CCP did the right thing...



Can I haz your stuff?


Your votes were not dimissed as you claim. Your mittens messed up and lost your votes for you. Blame the right person if you gonna blame anyone.
Foxy Ferret
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1379 - 2012-04-05 00:26:59 UTC
CCP Navigator suggested this needs to be in here instead of its own thread. So for those of you who mailed me ingame and asked me to re-open this matter in the correct thread, here it is.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

With legislation heating up around the world over cyber bullying, its time some of you woke up and smelled the coffee. You may think your behaviour and actions are completely harmless, but the reality is, your actions, your words and your behaviour can have extremely adverse effects on people in real life and will ultimately be the downfall of CCP and EvE online if these things arent dealt with.

Before the swarm starts trolling, I am NOT an anti-goon ingame enemy, cry baby who got owned by Goons etc, nor am I some mamby pamby, or a carebear. I am however qualified in mental health and disability, I do work in this sector in real life and on a daily basis. So my letter to The Mittani is genuine and so is my concern.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

A Letter to The Mittani:

The definition of cyber bullying fits very snuggly into what The Mittani encited in his fanfest speech....It fits very snuggly into any call to suicide online. There are no excuses, you don't get to feel sorry for yourself now Mr Mittens just because its rebounded back on your backside.

This is NOT about Goonswarm, this is NOT about The Mittani ingame..... This is about the real life man who stood up infront of thousands of viewers and encited the masses to cause a single person to commit suicide.

Shame on you!

Definition:

Cyberbullying is the use of the Internet and related technologies to harm other people, in a deliberate, repeated, and hostile manner.



Enciting people to cause someone who was obviously mentally unstable to commit suicide is deliberate, repeated and hostile!



The term "cyberbullying" was first coined and defined by Canadian educator and anti-bullying activist Bill Belsey, as "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others."

Cyberbullying has subsequently been defined as "when the Internet, cell phones or other devices are used to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person". Other researchers use similar language to describe the phenomenon.


Cyberbullying can be as simple as continuing to send e-mail to someone who has said they want no further contact with the sender, but it may also include threats, sexual remarks, pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech), ganging up on victims by making them the subject of ridicule in forums, and posting false statements as fact aimed at humiliation.



It doesnt matter that you didn't put out his real life name, the fact is you and the rest of goons participate in cyber bullying on a regular basis. If you are causing people harm by lowering their self esteem, by causing them to feel humiliated and outcast, you are cyber bullying. DEAL WITH IT!


Harmful effects:

Research had demonstrated a number of serious consequences of cyberbullying victimization. For example, victims have lower self-esteem, increased suicidal ideation, and a variety of emotional responses, retaliating, being scared, frustrated, angry, and depressed.

One of the most damaging effects is that a victim begins to avoid friends and activities, often the very intention of the cyber-bully.

Cyberbullying campaigns are sometimes so damaging that victims have committed suicide. There are at least four examples in the United States where cyber-bullying has been linked to the suicide of a teenager.




It does not matter a fig if you feel there is nothing in the way you or goons behave and that its all part of the sandbox and in good fun. If you are infact effecting people in a negative manner, if you are causing people to suffer emotional distress with what you are doing and how you are behaving, you are a cyber bully and you need to rethink your position.


If you want to call me an anti goon and pretend that somehow im calling for your blood because you did something nasty to me ingame you can please yourself, thats how you sleep at night, fair enough.

I am however, qualified in mental health and deal with people that suffer at the hands of people like you on a daily basis. Just because you are on the internet doesnt mean you are any different to the bullies in real life, bar the fact that you have an entire cult of sycophants following you down that road with blindfolds fully attached convincing you its ok to emotionally damage people as long as you cant see the real life behind the pixels.


__________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Take the time to mull this over Goons and Mittens and think about how you would feel if it was your mother, brother, sister, cousin or best friend that was close to suicide because of the humiliation they felt from someone online. If you are totally lacking in humanity and are laughing right now, you are probably a sociopath and I cant believe you read this far =/
Slumber Hawk
Shadow on the moon
#1380 - 2012-04-05 07:28:52 UTC
Hrald wrote:
Quote:
with the vid shown taking place before fanfest and with a dev taking part it is clear then this matter needs a internal investigated.
being planed ahead of time removes mittans (i was drunk #) excuse.

He has repeatedly disavowed this excuse. Furthermore, the_Mittani goes on to say he hopes to offend people, not to actually make anyone kill themselves as he's been painted by everyone.

He still made a poor decision but there was no premeditation to make anyone kill themselves.


here you go wrong ....

There are a lot of reallife News Headlines, where people were never intend on killing other peoples, to name a few:
- Shaking a baby to stop it crying
- Insurance fraud by "feigning" a car accident
- Chasing an assumed (and innocent) shoplifter
- Placing a girl's name on a slutty list

All actions with a deadly outcome, but never with the mindset to "kill". The Mittani on the other hand willfully went for an action claiming before hand its termination point! An action that is described as cyberbullying and is known to be quite deadly ... if not reallife costly to cure!

With 10.000+ supporters, its one things if you end up in the incidental death list, another to end up on the intentional legitimate list as sported by those same 10.000+ EVE players.