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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Koby Botick
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#301 - 2012-03-28 23:24:41 UTC
1/6 th of the votes thrown away. 1/6th of the ENTIRE Eve community that can even be arsed to actually throw a vote.

Good job, very good job. 1/6th of the most active most interested people in the game disenfranchised. Words fail me to even trying to describe how utterly hasted and inconsiderate that was.
GunslingerBob
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#302 - 2012-03-28 23:24:47 UTC
I can't be bothered to read this entire threadnaught, but I'll have you know this:

Unless CCP does the correct thing and holds a re-vote for ALL positions, I will be dropping this game like a steaming pile of elephant dung.

For a company that spouts about democracy and whatnot, they sure do love to pull one over on their customers.
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#303 - 2012-03-28 23:25:07 UTC
Andski wrote:
Krutoj, a CSM 6 alternate who was temp-banned for RMT, was not removed from the council.

Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#304 - 2012-03-28 23:25:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jack bubu wrote:
Andski wrote:
Angelus X wrote:
lmao 10,000 accounts about to be unsubbed eh, CCP must be scareeeeee Lol


$150,000+ in monthly subscriptions alone is certainly no big deal

considering its not even 3% of eves total subscription i'd say no, its not :)


your titan's still getting nerfed :))))))

hahahahaha just keep thinking its a nerf :'D
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#305 - 2012-03-28 23:25:10 UTC
Go to hell CCP. I reactivate 2 accounts and come back to this **** game due to what MIttani did and you ban him and kick him of CSM after he saved you. Way to go.

What he did is not in good taste but same thing happens many times every day in eve and nobody cares. Not to mention you vetted the presentations and didn't react at all until the pc crowd started making a stink for no reason what so ever. If even the "victim" didn't think much about it than that the hell are you doing? Don't forget that you have the customers that stick with you because eve is tough, not because it's just another wow clone for idiots.

We voted for Mittens and we want him. You remember the alternative from the summer and your idiotic decisions that almost sunk you as a company until he pulled you out.
Zealc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#306 - 2012-03-28 23:25:31 UTC
You can love or hate him as a goon, I don't care.

But as CSM chairman he did an excellent job, especially after the Incarna debacle.

What was said at the fanfest was as a goon, as part of the alliance presentation. They were talking about what their alliances did, not CSM or CCP related. I don't agree with what he said but it was directed at an 'ingame' character. And he was drunk.

Over-reaction by CCP to the hysterical masses.
Alf Retardo
Balkan Mafia
Circle-Of-Two
#307 - 2012-03-28 23:25:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Alf Retardo
Townsend Harris wrote:
Alf Retardo wrote:
well rules are rules and they got broken, **** happens ;)

btw: so the main reason why goons now whine is all the tech billions wasted on making new accounts and reactivate accounts to win the election (8200 votes less then 30days old)

karma is a *****

less than 60 days old and you can't vote...




Age in days / Frequency / Cumulative
30 / 8447 / 14,29%


according to devblog stats http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2012-03-28 23:25:33 UTC
So what goons are saying is that 10058 votes gives people the right to break rules/laws/ethics amirite?
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Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#309 - 2012-03-28 23:25:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Temulkar Blaine
I applaud CCP for this decision, I will explain why before I am accused of being a political tool.

In the EU we have clear laws about behaviour on the internet and in public that differ dramatically from the US. in America your right to freedom of speech is guarenteed by the first ammendment. In Europe freedom of speech is limited by the law in ways your country does not it seems understand. Before you start to call us all fascists as has been said on some threads, think about the history of the last century in Europe and ask yourself why we have limited freedom of speech to protect against hate.

In recent months in the UK in paticular the profile of cyber offences, cyber bullying, trolling has been very much in the public eye. Cases of teenage suicides after a message on a social networking site like this example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-14239702 made national headlines.

EU law protects people from offensive behaviour on the internet and does not allow the anononymity of the web protect offendors when the use the internet as a medium to bully or spread hate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16144640 people have been given sentences lasting into years for offences carried out in the internet.

Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587

I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable.

Again I would actually like to stress this is not a political post not a wum, This is actually somthing very good that CCP has done in sending out a clear message that certain behaviour will not be tolerated. It sucks for Alexander yes Im sure but he will bounce back from it if he wants to.
Anvil44
Independent Traders and Builders
#310 - 2012-03-28 23:25:50 UTC
As our society changes and learns to cope with online bullying such as this, it is good to see CCP taking it seriously. If anyone thinks they went too far, also consider that not only was the Eve character name of the offender used by CCP but, in joining the CSM he was using his real life name and speaking as someone who is associated with CCP. As such, he must answer to his actions, including in however CCP feels is the best way to deal with this type of situation.

If this were 'real' life, the actual person could be charged, depending on which country you are on. Think about having someone commit a real-life crime being associated with your product while committing that crime.

I really think a 30 day ban is weak but in the offenders defense, he did make a formal apology, which is a step in the right direction.

He's out, let it go and lets learn from this. As so many have said, CCP made a proper decision.

I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#311 - 2012-03-28 23:26:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
dude over 300 000 get "disenfranchised" every damn time there are CSM elections...


Those 300,000 chose not to vote. It is not our problem that they choose to remain apathetic.


those 10k chose to be a good drone and vote for the cfc guy instead of the other 49 people running for office... as i said before your fault for being a drone... not mine and not ccp's!

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Taihbea
Doomheim
#312 - 2012-03-28 23:26:45 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Taihbea wrote:
Tig Ole Bitties wrote:
The Goons crying over something that they think is unfair???

SAY IT ISN'T SO?!!

An ENTIRE thread FILLED with NOTHING but GOON TEARS!!!!!!

I think I just came all over myself...


MOAR!!!!

MOARR!!!!!!




ROFL so true!



So tell me about your ideal EVE, with a panties dropping button, $1000 jeans and even more empty rooms to walk slowly in!


The one where there are no cyberbullies. I hate that kind.
Joe D'Trader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#313 - 2012-03-28 23:26:45 UTC
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
I applaud CCP for this decision, I will explain why before I am accused of being a political tool.

In the EU we have clear laws about behaviour on the internet and in public that differ dramatically from the US. in America your right to freedom of speech is guarenteed by the first ammendment. In Europe freedom of speech is limited by the law in ways your country does not it seems understand. Before you start to call us all fascists as has been said on some threads, think about the history of the last century in Europe and ask yourself why we have limited freedom of speech to protect against hate.

In recent months in the UK in paticular the profile of cyber offences, cyber bullying, trolling has been very much in the public eye. Cases of teenage suicides after a message on a social networking site like this example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-14239702 made national headlines.

EU law protects people from offensive behaviour on the internet and does not allow the anononymity of the web protect offendors when the use the internet as a medium to bully or spread hate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16144640 people have been given sentences lasting into years for offences carried out in the internet.

Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587

I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable.

Again I would actually like to stress this is not a political post not a wum, This is actually somthing very good that CCP has done in sending out a clear message that certain behaviour will not be tolerated. It sucks for Alexander yes Im sure but he will bounce back from it if he wants to.



I'm not reading all of that, just saying Florida
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#314 - 2012-03-28 23:27:08 UTC
RDevz wrote:
You've disenfranchised 10,058 Goons. Good job.



Fixed.

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Corpesthorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#315 - 2012-03-28 23:27:10 UTC
So instead of coming up with a viable solution CCP took the easiest way out..? 10,058
Revii Lagoon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#316 - 2012-03-28 23:27:18 UTC
So if griefing is now a TOS violation, shouldn't the vast majority of EVE players be banned?
Nylith Empyreal
Blood Marauders
#317 - 2012-03-28 23:27:20 UTC
GunslingerBob wrote:
I can't be bothered to read this entire threadnaught, but I'll have you know this:

Unless CCP does the correct thing and holds a re-vote for ALL positions, I will be dropping this game like a steaming pile of elephant dung.

For a company that spouts about democracy and whatnot, they sure do love to pull one over on their customers.


Congratulations welcome to the real world, honestly you think you had any true say in all of this? Like the rookieship changes, the name changes, the titan changes(not for you in particular), etc. So yes what has actually been hidden in regards to pulling a fast one and ccp?

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?

SolusLunes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#318 - 2012-03-28 23:27:24 UTC
Don't you all love the bans for "posting while goon"?

Way to go CCP, you were turning that game around and then NOPE
Grogoth Drem
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#319 - 2012-03-28 23:27:40 UTC
Andski wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Leykan wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
sweet using logical fallacies to avoid the fact that i am right!


Still waiting on you to explain the whole TOS applicable in a RL situation thing here...


fanfest feed is linked to the forums...

official ccp broadcasts are subject to tos...

by breaking tos you loose your right to be on this years CSM and get an auto 30 day ban...

no if and or butts about it!


shut up you bleating moron

no game company should disenfranchise a large group of vocal customers with TEN THOUSAND accounts between them

that's not a bold move that's a stupid ******* move


oh no, 3% of our playerbase BAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Mafia Matt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#320 - 2012-03-28 23:27:51 UTC
Two step wrote:
I disagree with this decision, and am working hard with CCP to make sure the 10,058 voters that voted for Alex have their voice heard.

More to come, just wanted to make sure I had a spot on the first page


Two Step.

Honestly, I cannot believe that statement from yourself. It was a terrible thing to say, its against the law let alone the elua and the tos. Tbh he got off lightly. Supporting this behaviour is terrible!

Correct decision was made.