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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#281 - 2012-03-28 23:21:33 UTC
Nvee wrote:
Tears.

Glorious goon Tears.


Look at all the little goons "unsub" & " lawyer up" , poor little guys.


30 day ban is really nothing. It should be a perma ban. They have banned people for a lot less.




Nobody cares about the ban. The fact that he was removed from the CSM despite 10,000+ accounts backing him is the issue here.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Tango Zulu
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#282 - 2012-03-28 23:21:39 UTC
Cross-posting for relevance.
Jade Constantine wrote:
bloody hell, I step away to have a corp meeting and its another 30 pages :)

Anyway I'm glad he has gathered his courage and resigned from the role of chair of the CSM (which is the absolute minimum he needed to do really). For the moment I'm satisfied with this and we'll see what develops really. I'm sure the story isn't completely finished but I hope we've all learned some valuable lessons.

Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.


I might agree with you if this had to do with the CSM, but it doesn't so the "absolute minimum" he needed to do was apologize, if he personally felt responsible to do so. If he had said every word he said in Jita local to an audience of 1500+, no one would have blinked an eye about it. In the end this was The Mittani saying something about The Wiz (or whatever his name is) with regards to EVE at an EVE event. He didn't find and give everyone his real name and address, he didn't mail him anthrax, he didn't even say "Good, kill yourself." The panel show was how people react to our actions in game. You can try to say he's a representative of the player base, but that doesn't mean that he needs to have infinite love and respect for what people say over the internet. (For the non-goons in the audience, he's the third person in recent memory that mentioned self-harm after losing their assets. We hear it often enough by people who want stuff back from scams/want sympathy for losses.) In American politics you do not need to love and agree with the religious right to run as a left-leaning democrat.

What we are seeing is people who despise goons writing the most eloquent posts they have in years trying to close the deal with his stepping down, while goons and allies ask, "What does it have to do with the politics of EVE?" and independent-minded people (including most of the CSM who actually know him) saying, "You can (and sometimes say should) apologize, but don't step down because you've brought good changes about."
Bill Carney
Mercado Mercator Partners and Associates
#283 - 2012-03-28 23:21:49 UTC
Well that is 3 accounts you just lost, I will reinstate paying you when you reinstate the Mittani.
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#284 - 2012-03-28 23:21:50 UTC
Can someone quote the EULA and clearly explain what he broke and how he broke it.
While you are at it, be sure to not quote something out of context.

(Apparently people take a rather wide view of CCP licensed software. Either way, can you imagine the decline in users if we petitioned everything that everyone said to us in EVE that would violate that EULA. People get mad and say things that, in most cases, would, if petitioned, result in the person being ganked being banned.)

Quite frankly, I still do not see a huge problem. No one should be immune to ridicule and contempt for their actions in EVE, nor for their attempt to bring their own ****** life into EVE. In every post scam/gank conversation you have in EVE, you will usually assume that someone is lying for pity or to make you feel bad.

No one should change their playstyle for a whiny player who cannot deal with the harshness that is EVE. Not even the CEO of the biggest group of griefers and assholes (no offence intended, EVE would be a much worse and more boring place if you were not) in EVE. Remember the hats issue. You were hearing The Mittani, CEO of Goonswarm, not the (current) CSM chair, nor the future CSM member.

Aside from the potential for Sony to distance itself from CCP and this incident giving the US government more incentive to go on their crusade to label games as bad and violent (as if that makes a ******* difference in any way, shape, or form to sales; just look and what age people play M-rated games), I almost see this as any press = good press. Hell, this may attract some more real assholes to the game, and, lets face it, EVE has thrived on that phenomena.

I now ask all suicide gankers and griefers to be sure to petition any threats, libel (untrue things said about one's mother, for instance), indications of incoming suicide, and harsh language that results from the incoming destruction of Jita. Don't just destroy their ships, destroy their EVE careers.
Alpheias
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#285 - 2012-03-28 23:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Andski wrote:
Valkyria Caeli wrote:
10,058 people were denied nothing. 10,058 made their choice and it turned out to be a poor one. 10,058 people choose a person to represent them who through his own action made himself unable to fulfill that role. Perhaps consider voting for one of your own who displays more restraint. Good luck finding such a person.


Totally untrue and that's a terribly ignorant opinion. But hey, forum alt.


Name calling is the sign of a person who has lost their argument. Aren't you going to unsub in protest or continue to **** and moan to deaf ears on a forum?


What planet are you from? Since when is forum alt name calling?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#286 - 2012-03-28 23:22:00 UTC
Skye Aurorae wrote:


Your stuff can I has ?
Lenier Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#287 - 2012-03-28 23:22:02 UTC
Fail decision. QQ CCP.
Joepopo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#288 - 2012-03-28 23:22:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Joepopo
Ayeson wrote:
Machine Delta wrote:
You guys should ban me because I am sitting in my room saying EULA/TOS breaking things out loud in front of the monitor.



Not emptyquoting



I am also watching p°rn in my local.

edit: WTF is that, word censoring? You have gone far deep.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#289 - 2012-03-28 23:22:23 UTC
Alf Retardo wrote:
well rules are rules and they got broken, **** happens ;)

btw: so the main reason why goons now whine is all the tech billions wasted on making new accounts and reactivate accounts to win the election (8200 votes less then 30days old)

karma is a *****

less than 60 days old and you can't vote...
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#290 - 2012-03-28 23:22:35 UTC
I'm looking forward to goon Jita riots.

I recommend Sobaseki 1 jump over as the temp hub

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game

Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#291 - 2012-03-28 23:22:35 UTC
Andski wrote:
Angelus X wrote:
lmao 10,000 accounts about to be unsubbed eh, CCP must be scareeeeee Lol


$150,000+ in monthly subscriptions alone is certainly no big deal

considering its not even 3% of eves total subscription i'd say no, its not :)
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#292 - 2012-03-28 23:22:35 UTC
Krutoj, a CSM 6 alternate who was temp-banned for RMT, was not removed from the council.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Nylith Empyreal
Blood Marauders
#293 - 2012-03-28 23:22:43 UTC
Leykan wrote:
Tig Ole Bitties wrote:
The Goons crying over something that they think is unfair???

SAY IT ISN'T SO?!!

An ENTIRE thread FILLED with NOTHING but GOON TEARS!!!!!!

I think I just came all over myself...


MOAR!!!!

MOARR!!!!!!




We're not on about the banning or the removal, we're on about the 10,000 voted which are now worthless.
Unless of course you're really into that who voter disenfranchisement thing...


And you voted wrong, you too a risk expecting a huge reward and you failed, isn't this how that whole risk reward works?
Not like Nixon got to come back despite all those who voted for him, or Clinton.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?

Alpheias
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#294 - 2012-03-28 23:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Inappropriate comment removed. Spitfire

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Andrea Griffin
#295 - 2012-03-28 23:23:13 UTC
Wow cool, I didn't know there was a CCP Salmon. Salmon is delicious and healthy, and a favorite food for bears up in Alaska. CCP Salmon, you are not replacing CCP Sreegs as my favorite developer, but you ARE my most flavorful! Big smile

Yeah, this post is totally off topic. So sue me. : >
Heathkit
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#296 - 2012-03-28 23:23:16 UTC
~ 10,058 ~
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#297 - 2012-03-28 23:23:31 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
Andski wrote:
Angelus X wrote:
lmao 10,000 accounts about to be unsubbed eh, CCP must be scareeeeee Lol


$150,000+ in monthly subscriptions alone is certainly no big deal

considering its not even 3% of eves total subscription i'd say no, its not :)


your titan's still getting nerfed :))))))

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Muad 'dib
Death by Design.
#298 - 2012-03-28 23:23:47 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
Andski wrote:
Angelus X wrote:
lmao 10,000 accounts about to be unsubbed eh, CCP must be scareeeeee Lol


$150,000+ in monthly subscriptions alone is certainly no big deal

considering its not even 3% of eves total subscription i'd say no, its not :)



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db T
Perkone
Caldari State
#299 - 2012-03-28 23:24:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
Krutoj, a CSM 6 alternate who was temp-banned for RMT, was not removed from the council.

you should look up the word forfeit
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#300 - 2012-03-28 23:24:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
Nvee wrote:
Tears.

Glorious goon Tears.


Look at all the little goons "unsub" & " lawyer up" , poor little guys.


30 day ban is really nothing. It should be a perma ban. They have banned people for a lot less.




Nobody cares about the ban. The fact that he was removed from the CSM despite 10,000+ accounts backing him is the issue here.



TOO BIG TO FAIL