Jita Park Speakers Corner

I find this interesting. Would you expect a public figure to apologise for expressing his enjoyment of eating pork? After all, various faiths object to the eating of pork.

Not that I agree or disagree with any of this but I couldn't help but laugh at this well thought out statement. It's ridiculous that people in the public eye have to watch everything they say for fear of making an unintentional attack on "various faiths". Even more ridiculous is the idea that an objection to suicide as a matter of faith is something that holds a special place above that of a purely moral objection.

The guy already said he's stepping down in light of this fiasco. He should follow through with his promise.

Also he needs to show some leadership and get the Goonwaffe attack dogs posting here in his defense to shut up... e.g. The Mittani admitted his actions were indefensible, so why are you defending him ?

Really, in the face of this PR disaster, it would be best for Goonwaffe to simmer down and let Mittani do the right thing.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with your post. Just pointing out how silly that quoted statement is.

You're right, some things shouldn't be jested about. But to go so far as to call it an attack on various faiths is a joke lol

I support CSM, but not Mittani. As such I ask the other CSM members to make all that they can to remove The Mittani from CSM and distance themselves from such individuals (aka The Mittani/Alex) and restore faith in CSM and to repair the image of the community which has been stained by such individuals.

Thus I support this thread and its mission!

Moreover I ask the CSM to consider revising the rules for the Alliance Board Panel during fanfest and ensure that all presentations are done in a respectable yet funny manner in the future (no alcohol on display or drunk people).

CCP should act together with CSM on this issue, have a common voice.

The chairman seems to be guilty of being human and showing poor and alcoholically impaired judgement, yes, but of thought crime, I think not.

If Icelandic law was broken, let their authorities handle it but otherwise let it go. Embracing anger and outrage only makes YOU feel bad and if for some reason the chairman is amused by, and enjoys, this attention then you are just feeding him your tears.

Tread carefully in the mine fields of thought crime lest you lose a leg or worse, your freedom of speech.

This is not to say Free Speech is NOT often abused, as it often IS abused, but as a veteran and a US citizen I value my freedom to speak and my freedom to vote and I value it for others as well, even the racists and gay-bashers whom I abhor.

In forum speak, being so easily butthurt about so many things and complaining so much about them is how censorship happens and the more censorship we excuse the more freedom we lose.

Pick your censorship and thought crime battles carefully lest you wake up one day in jail just for "saying the wrong thing."

While we are here remember that the CSM is a group of lobbyists and If you didn't vote in the election or chose to abstain, you also chose to let others think and act for you and have no reason to complain about the results. "It won't make a difference anyway" or "It will make things worse" are both incorrect and feeble excuses. You failed in your duty to yourself to influence the development of this game in a direction you prefer.

You chose to give up some of your freedom and freedom is a muscle that needs to be used. If it isn't used it can atrophy so don't be surprised if it shrinks a little each time you choose not to use it and you wake up bedridden and covered in sores one day wondering where your freedom went.

You threw it out with the trash.

Any time you can influence anything anywhere to your advantage by voting, you either need to vote or admit you didn't want it that badly.

The chairman behaved the way many people expect him to behave. Why is there so much surprise and outrage? He even apologized.

Wait, so you said something over-the-top that you didn't really mean, just to get people's attention?

Hmm, I wonder if anyone else in this thread may have been found guilty of such a low, despicable act.

BTW, how did you turn ridiculing someone's suicidal cry for attention into slander against religions that abhor suicide? Aren't you trying to stretch the victim list just a wee bit here?

Personally I would have liked to have seen the CSMs opinions about this before they got together, but if trying to get a crowd to pressure someone into suicide (joke or not) isn't bad what the hell is?

Will admit I do wonder about how much of this current argument between if it was bad or not has to do with cultural opinions from different places on the earth, or its just individual concepts.

^^^This

People found it hilarious. Gianturco was in no way shape or form "joking" or just blurting out drunken nonsense. The dude was tipsy but he was not falling out smashed.

Joking or Having a laugh if you prefer as to how drunk he was well he didn't look very sober to me and I am prepared to give him the benefit of saying he was drunk at the time.

More of ^^this.

It was premeditated, and is very in-character for him - everyone knows it, it's indefensible which I would imagine is why we haven't heard from him at all.

It has far more to do wtih his culture, attitude and personality than whether or not someone should find it acceptable behaviour. I find it extremely amusing that more goons pile onto the forums TO DEFEND THE BEHAVIOUR. Only once again showing - the culture.

Lets face it, I haven't seen the US start wars with China like they have with every 3rd world country that couldn't fight back. It's entirely cultural to prey on the weak.