Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wait. What's your issue again?

How come nobody said "pics or it didn't happen" yet?

Well, time to correct this:

PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!

Good to see that there is some people who understands why this yet another shooter idea is sucks.

It's sad that CCP couldn't understand it even if they will read and agree with that...

But there is some thougts for CCP...

Is this game was created to satisfy current market demand?
No, it's was a small project, where they're used their fantasy, creativity, and vision to create the game that will be interesting. Not because some MMO addicts sayed something on forums.
It's was a game for a small group of players.

How it's ended up?
There was a problem with server which wasn't ready for such number of players.
It's was growing, growing and growing.

Why are you think that it'll be better to change from this process of development something unique and start listening random players from forums?
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I wonder if they're now confused: "Introduced social gameplay - babies are crying. Talked about combat-oriented WiS now - again some whine growing. So what to do with WiS?". And what did you expect? it's a big player base, it's gamers, internet addicts, trolls - there will be whine anyway.
I don't understand why You are giving a damn about that. You might just do as planned with WiS. Those who "quit" have returned anyway - they're don't have balls to quit permanently just because of this.
There was a lot larger barrels of **** that you're throwed at the players - and so what?.. Most of them already forgot those things and ready for a next one. SP for plex maybe?

Yes, there is nothing new about that. Actually it's was clear a couple of years before that EVE is now just another average game development business. The main goal of it it's money.

Why bother about creativity and fresh ideas? We have money, we have people, it's time to relax and just let people do their everyday job.

That's right, combat-capable.

A social environment with combat capability in some situations, not combat-oriented crap with some peaceful activities, like FiS now. Yes, there is some non-combat things that we can do... But how interesting it is? mining, hauling, manufacturing. research. It's boring not because fighting is more interesting, it's boring because it's almost not evolving while 90% of all patches are combat oriented.

That's precisely why combat WiS shoud be second in the list, not the only deal and one that would require pressing on CCP to be developed.

Replacing NPC service is but a start (pleyer sinks money to NPC to get stuff, then gets ISK from other players not williggn to jump to repair their drones... or who need a clone right here and not the next system... the economy is already there) .

An we can really go with it and contract stations to private enterprises AKA NPC hiring player corporations to "upgrade" stations, stargates, whatever, for a set fee (minimal ISK faucet) and a share of future usage rights (a toll). Or hire shipwrights to build ships for NPCs in player-run assembly lines set in rented space in certain stations.

Of course, whatever is implemented for WiS, can't be made too good or else the nullsec whiners will get it nerfed as they did to Incursions.

This is why WiS should hold more social gameplay than money-making. The value in WiS should be fun and achieving goals, not just making money to compete with the nullsec endgame crap.

And anyway we should know where it's going to end up if WiS becomes exploration only and exploration becomes something where players can shoot each other: people will not hack, will not search, will not lock in rooms, will not explore, they will go shoot true explorers for tears until nobody gives a damm of exploring as there wil be too many griefers waiting to shoot on explorers. Thus exploring will become as succesful as lowsec.

And also is ludicrous beyond words that inmortal demigods will risk their life for whatever silly reward; and if the reward is not silly, if it's something that can be shared amongst n number of explorers in an away team, then likely wil be more profitable than nullsec **** and so nullsec whiners will get it nerfed...

(Anyway, on the whole dieing matter, I already suggested the figure of drone clones, as expendable avatars opposed to the "true" ones not involved in getting killed outside of their pod).

There is a lot of potential, and leaving your CQ to go into a exploration site to be shot dead is not going to be worh it. There's a gazillion games that provide shooter gameplay and dungeon raiding gameplay, and in case somebody doubted it, if i liked those games then I would be playing them instead of EVE... much as i would not play DUST 514 in a million years after seeing the gameplay videos, I am here in EVE because i do like certain borderline aspects of it (and there are no alternatives), not because i feel an urge that EVE becomes a kidn of game that never hooked me.

As long as CCP or Team Avatar is afraid of little basement dwelling kids screaming for their mother ,when something doesn,t go their way,they will not listen to the less vocal population of EvE and these forums

I am afraid that Team Avatar is more focused on dungeons in space then opening that door .
At least thats what i make of it.I hope i am wrong.

The more vocal crowd here also think that pvp is the only thing to do here in EvE ,what happens when CCP decides to listen to that bullshit ?

They want to implement a whole new subgame to Eve ,without even add a good base for it and that is starting to add some rooms to the stations themselves .

I'll (partially) quote two of Bayesian's posts:





In summary: If they develop tools that allow them to create exploration sites, with various interaction features like hacking, combat, etc. it becomes a lot easier to make social spaces that lack these features. It's much easier to make something with every possible feature and selectively turn them off in certain locations, than it is to start with a baseline and try to add features later.

The only thing WiS has lost at this point is time, and in the end this is better for everyone.

Yes, let's do this!

P.S. already done that earlier :)

So said Hilmar to a Chinese site, but we're all chasing wild gooses as to what it could be. Certainly not "opening the door" and even the hawezom dungeon raiding is not a part of the production plans.

As i said in the OP, CCP's stance pretty much is like "there's a long road to Tipperary and we ain't laced our shoes yet".

Just they've moved from "planning to have a plan" to "planning to discuss a plan nobody asked us".

Too bad they don,t know what to do,so they rethink a great plan of station exspansion into dungeon exspansion ,great for missioners and pvpers,but bad for miners ,researchers industrialist and marketplayers.