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Antisocial Malkavian

Antisocial Malkavians

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#301 - 2012-05-09 18:05:15 UTC

Apolyon I wrote:

DarthNefarius wrote:

-I am not exagerating. Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector then Incursion payouts.

-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.

I love your raging all over the forum.

all CCP did is putting incursion into its right place. stop blaming them

theres a reason I dont see anything this guy says but a red bar.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Simi Kusoni

HelloKittyFanclub

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#302 - 2012-05-09 18:08:25 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

I'd start reposting of your statistics but there are not any

DarthNefarius wrote:

Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are).

This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.

People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose.

None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content.

DarthNefarius wrote:

If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space.

If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?

How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?

400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600

So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?

Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF[/center]

Zagdul

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#303 - 2012-05-09 18:14:52 UTC

Mars Theran wrote:

[quote=DarthNefarius][quote=Derth Ramir]

You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.

In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job.

Wormholes pale in comparison to null sec sov holding in terms of costs incurred.

And we're forced to sell our harvested resources on the market just like everyone else. No NPC buy orders outside the overseers artifacts which are rare.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

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Ayn Randy Home For Pugs Likes received: 30	#304 - 2012-05-09 18:21:02 UTC 1 Wormholes vs Incursions comes down to Risk vs Reward. In wormholes, you could lose everything. Doing highsec incursions your pretty safe hoarding your isk. Wormholes wont get nerfed, if you wanna make the kinda isk they make then why dont you take the same risks?

Simi Kusoni

HelloKittyFanclub

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#305 - 2012-05-09 18:46:33 UTC

Zagdul wrote:

Mars Theran wrote:

Overseers artifacts? You mean the personal effects from rated sites? I used to get about 7 or more of them a day when I was in sov null :) I did have one hell of a system for farming rated sites though :P and they do need to be transported for sale, unlike incursion payouts.

But mainly just the sheer effort required to find and run the sites far exceeds the effort required to farm incursions.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF[/center]

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#306 - 2012-05-09 22:09:26 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

Simi Kusoni wrote:

[How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?

400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600

So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?

Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.

Go read Q4 QEN 2010 in order to figure out how the numbers of residents in Wormholes is calculated. Dr E's chart in fanfest 2012 said 5% of Eve's characters were running Incursions too.

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

Simi Kusoni

HelloKittyFanclub

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#307 - 2012-05-09 22:16:11 UTC | Edited by: Simi Kusoni

DarthNefarius wrote:

Simi Kusoni wrote:

Go read Q4 QEN 2010 in order to figure out how the numbers of residents in Wormholes is calculated. Dr E's chart in fanfest 2012 said 5% of Eve's characters were running Incursions too.

The data I used was from sources linked and used by yourself, I did these quick calculations purely to show the errors in your own calculations that used the same data.

I have no idea if the results are actually accurate, CCP statistics tend to have enormous unspecified margins of error, they fluctuate wildly between various posts and the methodology by which CCP arrives at them is often never explained.

And you still don't understand that the number of people running wormhole sites is greater than the number living in them. Genius.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF[/center]

Apolyon I

Shadow of ISW

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#308 - 2012-05-09 22:47:18 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

Apolyon I wrote:

quote]
inflation started getting worse as incursion came out, isnt it notable???

Incorrect Inflation started getting worse BEFORE Incursions came out

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveInflation_2010-2012.gif

as far as I see, inflation getting worse when ppl started farming the f out of incursion.

why didnt inflation started right when incursion was out??? Because ppl didnt know how to farm them back there.

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#309 - 2012-05-09 23:26:00 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

Apolyon I wrote:

DarthNefarius wrote:

Apolyon I wrote:

quote]
inflation started getting worse as incursion came out, isnt it notable???

Incorrect Inflation started getting worse BEFORE Incursions came out

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveInflation_2010-2012.gif

Put your glasses on & look at the chart again. The big inflation spike started before Incursion sites were introduced. There was actually a deflationary period the 1-2 months after the farming agreement was put in place in late April early May. Then there was another spike again in september. Farming was started in earnest in May with an agreement between the armor & shield fleets.

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#310 - 2012-05-09 23:30:40 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

Simi Kusoni wrote:

The data I used was from sources linked and used by yourself, I did these quick calculations purely to show the errors in your own calculations that used the same data.

No it wasn't you lie. Your statistics are way off & further show how of the mark your assumptions are.

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

Simi Kusoni

HelloKittyFanclub

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#311 - 2012-05-09 23:51:18 UTC | Edited by: Simi Kusoni

DarthNefarius wrote:

Simi Kusoni wrote:

The data I used was from sources linked and used by yourself, I did these quick calculations purely to show the errors in your own calculations that used the same data.

No it wasn't you lie. Your statistics are way off & further show how of the mark your assumptions are.

All of the statistics used to disprove your analysis came from the sources that you yourself used:

DarthNefarius wrote:

Simi Kusoni wrote:

DarthNefarius wrote:

[WHs] spout just as much ISK into Eve & are far less numbers then bounties (and 1/2 the number of Incursion runners)

Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?

http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms

http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html

http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/06.jpg

*Just to clarify these above are the sources you posted, exactly how you posted them in this post.

*EDIT: Replaced quote with one more detailed.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF[/center]

Simi Kusoni

HelloKittyFanclub

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#312 - 2012-05-09 23:58:14 UTC

And just to unbury it (again) here is the specific part of my post disproving your analysis using that data:

DarthNefarius wrote:

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF[/center]

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Mr Bigwinky The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 350	#313 - 2012-05-10 08:48:03 UTC This guy hates anything that affects his precious little incursion running. Stupidly arrogant and stubborn too. Generally, if EVERYONE disagrees with you, it isn't everyone else. `Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself ♥`

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Andski Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 11,585	#314 - 2012-05-10 09:25:16 UTC i see you're still upset over your safe little isk farming being nerfed Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

seany1212

M Y S T

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#315 - 2012-05-10 09:58:58 UTC | Edited by: seany1212

Andski wrote:

i see you're still upset over your safe little isk farming being nerfed

Darth nefarius has no wormhole knowledge therefore cannot really comment and is merely throwing his toys out of the pram because incursions got nerfed. Risk vs. Reward and considering capitals are often used in the higher classes with the potential for wormholes to spawn in from anywhere at any time its as risky as it gets.

Edit: damn autocorrect lol

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#316 - 2012-05-10 16:54:45 UTC

seany1212 wrote:

Andski wrote:

i see you're still upset over your safe little isk farming being nerfed

I know enough how to read statistics & numbers Seany... so how many characters do you believe reside in W-Space?

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

Simi Kusoni

HelloKittyFanclub

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#317 - 2012-05-10 17:03:11 UTC

Darth stop evading it every time you get your arse handed to you in a debate, and either post a logical and reasoned argument or just accept defeat.

Face it, you've lost this thread. You may as well let it die rather than continuously post empty comments. To be honest I am surprised CCP haven't locked it yet.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF[/center]


Mr Bigwinky The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 350	#318 - 2012-05-11 08:36:10 UTC Darth reminds me of a guy I attacked who informed me that him self-destructing his thanatos in his POS was a win. 1 - 0. Past stubborn, these guys are delusional. `Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself ♥`

Michael1995

Lazerhawks

L A Z E R H A W K S

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#319 - 2012-05-11 08:59:03 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector because MORE people are RUNNING the sites to GET them!

So more people are coming to Wormholes? Are you joining them? If so, more targets for us!

Kthxbai!

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Sirinda Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Likes received: 402	#320 - 2012-05-11 09:03:06 UTC \| Edited by: Sirinda 1 Definitely bigger than your incursion payouts, Darth.