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CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVE RYONE equally

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2012-04-15 05:47:51 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Derth Ramir
Fight The Blob
Kingless.
#2 - 2012-04-15 06:04:49 UTC
Can you please explain what this blue loot is?

Fight The Blob.

Lanasak
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-15 06:10:00 UTC
death to incursions
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-04-15 06:14:27 UTC
Incursions finally got nerfed? Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-15 06:20:13 UTC
Are you suggesting that a buff to miners and a nerf to high sec income are in the same line as wormhole pilots?

Yes, yes you are.

Because you're stupid.

Hello, hello again.

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#6 - 2012-04-15 06:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Derth Ramir wrote:
Can you please explain what this blue loot is?


------UNIWIKI QUOTE JUNE 2011 :-----

Sleepers leave wrecks containing Sleeper Components (called 'blue loot' because of the color of the items' icons) which can be sold to some NPC stations. The wrecks can be salvaged for Ancient Salvage Materials, which are used in Tech 3 production and can be sold to other players.
The blue loot can be sold to some NPC Stations and some regions may not contain any of those stations. So be wary when you sell the Blue Loot and check the prices carefully since in those regions often other players have set up buy orders for the loot at much lower prices.

Neural Network Analyzers can be sold for 50,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes.
Sleeper Data Libraries can be sold for 200,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes.
Ancient Coordinates can be sold for 1,500,000 ISK and can drop from cruisers and battleships.
Sleeper Drone AI Nexuses can be sold for 5,000,000 ISK and drop mostly from battleships.


Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis
Between 8-10 trillion ISK 1/3 or less of what bounties inject. Difference between Incursions & sleeper income: sleeper income also on top of that gives ribbon salvage which DWARF'S incursion incomeAttention ( no appreciable salvage in incursions )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lanasak
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-15 06:24:04 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis


1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners
2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions
Endeavour Starfleet
#8 - 2012-04-15 06:37:06 UTC
There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho.
Digital Messiah
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-04-15 06:43:42 UTC
1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
2. wormholes make butt loads of money because they help produce a lot of good. Mostly because it is a dangerous environment. And because some people don't like living in only a few solar systems for long periods of time.

Something clever

Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#10 - 2012-04-15 06:49:13 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho.
AFK cloaking doesn't earn anything, so it needs a buff.
Digital Messiah wrote:
they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
Pretty sure money from NPC buy orders was not already "floating around."

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#11 - 2012-04-15 06:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Digital Messiah wrote:
1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.

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bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
#12 - 2012-04-15 06:54:36 UTC
Nerf Jove space too.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#13 - 2012-04-15 06:59:11 UTC
maybe because wh offers REAL risk
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#14 - 2012-04-15 07:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Ocih wrote:
Nerf Jove space too.


Its my understanding Jove space was nerfed when CCP laid off a bunch of co-workers after the Incarna fiasco late last year & WiS & WoD got axed
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-15 07:01:08 UTC
i don't know much about wormhole
but w/e this blue loot is could go or get changed to something else to make it not an isk faucet. but wormholes don't need a nerf i would like to see more jspace though maybe new effects as well.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#16 - 2012-04-15 07:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Lanasak wrote:


1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners


Not according to Dr E at Fanfest both are around 5%, no? http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpg
I bet those cashing out blue loot is alot less then 5% & WH residents on top of that get nano ribbons which are worth ALOT more then crappy Concord LP which can only be worth while with overpriced 6% 'plants & Capitol faction modules unless you convert it at a 20%+ reduction to non faction warefare LP.
Hey CCP how about allowing Concord LP to be traded to faction LP at a 70% rate to even things out more?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#17 - 2012-04-15 07:41:07 UTC
They earn it by taking extraordinary risk. You, not so much. Enjoy your nerf, and U MAD BRO?
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#18 - 2012-04-15 07:41:32 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Derth Ramir wrote:
Can you please explain what this blue loot is?


------UNIWIKI QUOTE JUNE 2011 :-----

Sleepers leave wrecks containing Sleeper Components (called 'blue loot' because of the color of the items' icons) which can be sold to some NPC stations. The wrecks can be salvaged for Ancient Salvage Materials, which are used in Tech 3 production and can be sold to other players.
The blue loot can be sold to some NPC Stations and some regions may not contain any of those stations. So be wary when you sell the Blue Loot and check the prices carefully since in those regions often other players have set up buy orders for the loot at much lower prices.

Neural Network Analyzers can be sold for 50,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes.
Sleeper Data Libraries can be sold for 200,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes.
Ancient Coordinates can be sold for 1,500,000 ISK and can drop from cruisers and battleships.
Sleeper Drone AI Nexuses can be sold for 5,000,000 ISK and drop mostly from battleships.


Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis
Between 8-10 trillion ISK 1/3 or less of what bounties inject. Difference between Incursions & sleeper income: sleeper income also on top of that gives ribbon salvage which DWARF'S incursion incomeAttention ( no appreciable salvage in incursions )



You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. In some cases it is a Wormhole Corps primary means of immediate income for its members as the real Sleeper loot gets used in manufacturing as do the majority of other materials aquired in Wormholes.

Not speaking for the wormhole raiders here, just the Corps that actually live there. As for those other chaps, I'm sure they get what they get based on what class of Wormhole they are raiding and how long they spend there.

You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.

In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job.
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Harrigan VonStudly
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#19 - 2012-04-15 07:48:30 UTC
I don't even know wtf is being said up in here yo
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
#20 - 2012-04-15 07:50:04 UTC
I think the plan is to run some incursions in some wormholes, then when all the big shiny 5 billion isk incursion ships are all in those wormholes, they will sut. Permanently.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

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