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I swear, if I wasn't my main, I'd think this guy was me. Wish I had some of my old posts from the IRON boards, as I pointed out this *EXACT SAME PROBLEM* during the Malpais/Deklein two front war, and was pretty much laughed at to no end. We all see how that worked out.


No, they won't. Folks (in the old days, at least) would just switch to mining with their guns, and melt down anything that wasn't meta 4. With these changes coming in, that could change, but only time will tell (says the guy who trained up Scrapmetal Processing V for precisely this purpose... getting a 2% cut of everybody's melt was almost as delicious as the tears currently flowing)

All belts now refill daily at downtime (changed a few years ago). The rocks will start as small pebbles if they were mined completely out and will grow into larger asteroids on the following days (if left alone).

What makes it "good for the game in general" is that it pushes people out of high sec towards null sec. It makes megalliances take base industry seriously. It creates a driver of conflict as starving a larger and more powerful enemy by inserting black ops forces into their mining pockets becomes a viable tactic (even assuming something is finally done about AFK cloaks).

Not in hidden belts, thats just in static belts.

Supporting nullsec miners in ops the span downtimes teaches you alot about how that works, and if that was true we wouldn't be able to clear the belt 30 minutes after DT.

Edit: additionally, hidden belts respawn when you totally mine them out, including any lowend in them, so if a miners wants more high ends, he will mine out the lowends to get a fresh hidden belt.

I think we agree: Dopey Hi Sec miners will get ganked and thus weeded out. Nullbears will be proctected thus their mining will increase based upon need. Powerblocks win. Indepedents lose. We are playing Monopoly.

If that's not what you are thinking, correct me please.

CCP Goonscale (as I believe I shall now dub thee)

You just outlined exactly how you will be giving the Goons a larger competitive advantage. Im completely sure now that you put these changes forward to the CSM and every single one of the goonies applauded your efforts for them. Seriously, your going to kill one of the only regions that was anything close to Deklein but doesn't have the tech moons? If anything Deklein should get the sec nerf due to its massive isk income in moon goo. If you are dead set on removing everything good out of the Drone Regions, then you need to rebalance Deklein and remove the massive number of moons producing highly valuable moon goo.

Oh how great are the scales that work in the favor of all things Goon. Balance is not achieved here, balance is thrown out the window in favor of ... what exactly? The loss of Drone Alloy was a celebrated change. Finally CCP was getting it together and seeing the light of balance. The loss of Alloy was a balance in itself, one that was easy and agreed upon by most everyone, including those who would be losing out because of it. We could all deal with low loot drops for drones too, even the possibility of not gaining security through them. But to then cause all those nice drones to disappear as well? This is unacceptable

CCP, don't go back on your new and great policy of listening to the players. It is clear what we are saying: We agree with the Drone bounty change and support it whole-heartedly but, this is not an opening to ruin an entire region of space to give the advantage to your most favored Superpower. The true sec changes in testing have been found wanting. This is not the time to make those changes

But, since all the dev's have stated that they do best when suggestions are given out here we go

• Keep the Etherium Reach true sec changes
• Retain the current sec of Cobalt Edg
• Bolster the Sec of regions between Cobalt at Highsec that have no low/high connection
• Keep the low/nonexistant level of drops for drone
• Make Drones harder if you have to
• Increase the bounties on higher drone

Why do all this? Because having an entire region where all you get is bounties is actually pretty balanced. There is nothing to salvage, nothing to sell off, its like Incursions for the solo people. Worried about risk/reward: Make drones harder. But, make em worth more. And I haven't even touched the whole miner issue, not going to either, thats for an indy person to deal with. This is for the many players that play just like that: let the indy guy do his indy, ill shoot these rats for a few hours so that I can buy stuff from him

CCP Goonscale, the only question I have for you directly is pretty straightforward: Why is the only region that has everything in it the one that isnt getting nerfed? Such a region provides too much of an advantage. The way it has been outlined to us the players is that there should be reason for us to fight over regions, not to fight over only one region in the game. I would fight for good bounty only drones, I would fight for the best deadspace loot, I would fight for the best mining region, and I would fight for a region which was horrible except for its tech moons. But. that last region shouldn't have good loot, good mining, great truesec, AND tech moons. If it should have all that, then the balanced thing to do is to give every section of nullsec one (or more, as the goons have it) of these perfect regions.

It's fairly easy, hold off on the truesec changes until after the drone changes have a chance to be analyzed and you can find a better change for truesec.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, since your 'born on' date is early 2011, but before Goons ruled the world (as you seem to believe), it was BoB. Everything CCP did was to coddle BoB, and when BoB called Reykjavik, CCP dropped everything they were doing to service their lord and god, the leader of BoB and wearer of pink fuzzy hats, Sir Molle. Granted, the whole t20/kugu thing didn't help (and in fact, kugs is still "topic verboten"), but that was the perception.

Fast forward to today, and it's the Goons. CCP does this, it's to appease the Goons. CCP backtracks that, oh it must be because Mittani didn't like it. The simple truth is that being the biggest kid on the block puts a giant target on your back, as well as creating a perpetual cloud of suspicion. I personally would like there to be some changes to the CSM to better represent the entire playerbase rather than just the null-sec alliances, but that's a topic best moved to a separate discussion.

The point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't matter who the king of the hill is, anything CCP does is likely to be perceived as coddling them. Malcanis says it best: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Being among the oldest and richest, Goons will benefit accordingly.

This is unfair to small alliances.

Oh btw - there is just one more question bout anoms in drone regions.

Now then - all pirate factions have "forsaken" and "forlorn" versions of their respective "lesser" anomalies, whereas "forlorn hub" regularly yielded almost as much as a sanctum... That effectively ment -> -0.1 system had "sanctum sized" anomaly present at all times...

Drones have no such "prefixed" sites. Does that mean vast majority of drone systems will get kicked in the balls 3 ways:

1) No prefixed anoms + lower truesec (meaning no rat with 700k+ bounty on it in 80% of systems)
2) No alloys, no loot, no faction loot - nothing to look forward to?
3) Dull and boring area with 3 cloaky afkers in all 5 good good systems left (since you said -> it IS 20 jumps from jita, why not afk cloak your 2 week alt THERE)

Wow gee - you really DID fix the drone regions.

I.