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PL gets 15trillion isk banned in recent RMT bannings

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#241 - 2012-04-01 08:35:34 UTC
Siiee wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'd recommend saving the worrying for if something actually happens. :)


I had a long time, well established, corp mate who was wrongly tagged for RMT over a year ago. It took over a week for his petition to be resolved and was ultimately denied. He rejected several offers from corp mates to donate isk to cover his loss and PLEX'd his way back. He quit the game a few months later.

So forgive me if I am less gung-ho about your "No false positives, everyone gets taken care of" line as I was in the past.


Have witnessed the same identical situation, with the difference it took 3 weeks for him to get the first reply.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#242 - 2012-04-01 08:36:47 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?

Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT?

Yes, that;s the point of it.

But you see, if you ask the many pubbies here *looks for hands shooting up* they'll tell you it's all fake.

Yes, our reimbursement gives out the same stuff that the titans we sell to reds are made of.


Smoke and mirrors and fairy dust?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Isonda
suspended animations DOT
#243 - 2012-04-01 08:53:51 UTC
Darius III wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


Dude. Didn't you watch the Security Panel from FF? Sreegs literally talked about this whole thing. Or maybe it was the economy panel. Either way, it was talked about.

Now that Sreegs on onboard with this, I trust that he will do the right thing. I'm p. sure the guy isn't going to play favorites or anything, either, as some people in this thread have accused him of doing.

This guy does this for a living. He hunts down botters and RMTers and everything to put food on the table for his kids (if he has them). He's not going to risk his job by only going after certain groups.


I have said bad things about the guy before to stir up the tinfoil crowd, but my true opinion of his is that he is 110% legit. GO GO Team Security


**** you forever for making me +rep a post D3
Isonda
suspended animations DOT
#244 - 2012-04-01 08:56:24 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?

Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT?


Goons have an 'accountant' that looks over the books and post a spreadsheet so the line members can see if any directors are goonfucking.

Most big alliances does not do this, because unlike the goon management, they are corrupt bastards stealing the tax $$$
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#245 - 2012-04-01 09:00:20 UTC
Isonda wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?

Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT?

Goons have an 'accountant' that looks over the books and post a spreadsheet so the line members can see if any directors are goonfucking.

Most big alliances does not do this, because unlike the goon management, they are corrupt bastards stealing the tax $$$

Yes, he spends quite sometime to prepare it.

The most interesting parts are of course the tech income, fuel for the JB etc BUT the biggie is the reimbursements.

I'm told our dictors/hictors tend to top the list in terms of how much they get reimbursed. So the next time you lock a hictor that's bubbled your titan, they're expecting to get blown up, but they hope you blow up too. (Because they get on killmails, I think their isk efficiency is amazing).

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Hoshi
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#246 - 2012-04-01 10:05:57 UTC
Bloutok wrote:
If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... . Twisted

He has warned everyone several times through these forums and Devblogs over the last year that they will be stepping up on these types of bannings, both Bots and RMT. If people doesn't listen to him that's their problem.

"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#247 - 2012-04-01 11:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Wyke Mossari wrote:

CCP Sreegs said at fanfest, that appeals had so far only identified One false positive.


Which is incorrect, but then, their logs show nothing anyway.

Edit: as in, given that the defendants have no way to prove they were not botting, nor they can talk about their case on the forums (which would just raise general banter and laughter anyway) there will be little to none cases of reversed bans. They could not prove they did not cheat to begin with.
Seshzan
Next Gen Enterprises
#248 - 2012-04-01 11:37:27 UTC
Isonda wrote:

Goons have an 'accountant' that looks over the books and post a spreadsheet so the line members can see if any directors are goonfucking

Most big alliances does not do this, because unlike the goon management, they are corrupt bastards stealing the tax $$$



I see this statement thrown around alot but i fail to see how it proves goons immunity to corruption ?

just as a quick example they must do 1,000's of ship replacements weekly ? monthly ? wouldn't be to hard for the reimburstment guy to send 50mil to he's alt in alliance everytime and i highly doubt someone checks every loss to isk payout

I don't no maybe your right maybe goons leadership is just to busy encouraging ice miners to commit sucide to steal money i mean hey if i was encouraging people to do that i would never ever steal money from my anyone it would just be morally wrong



You know i would also guess CCP doesn't really care to much about the politics of banning RMT / Botters and just wants to make their game better and lets face it they lose actual real money to RMT / botters so it benefits them more from a buisness stand point.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#249 - 2012-04-01 11:48:25 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?

Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT?



There once was a company named Enron
Whose stockholders they shite on
While Author Anderson did their accounting
To show everyone their was no failing
Both are never again to be heard from

Don't ban me, bro!

Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#250 - 2012-04-01 11:51:02 UTC
Tiger Pennies wrote:
Really? And what is that big bad meanie CCP gonna do? They already ban people for no reason, so I might as well give them one.

O and if it gets me to a quicker solution with my bank, charging back these fraudulent bastards after their bullshit will not only be justified, but feel good.

So how much ISK did CCP remove from your characters in game?
Jamie Banks
Veyr
The Veyr Collective
#251 - 2012-04-01 12:03:41 UTC
Big up CCP, keep up the good work.

This makes me want to PLAY EVE again as my actions are on the same playing field as other players.

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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#252 - 2012-04-01 12:41:26 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?

Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT?



There once was a company named Enron
Whose stockholders they shite on
While Author Anderson did their accounting
To show everyone their was no failing
Both are never again to be heard from


alright let's weigh the evidence

evidence supporting goonswarm being clean: transparent finances, we didn't get owned by CCP

evidence supporting pubbies' claims of us RMTing: *crickets chirp*

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#253 - 2012-04-01 12:52:04 UTC
Quote:
I had a long time, well established, corp mate who was wrongly tagged for RMT over a year ago.


If you think you can answer for what someone besides yourself did outside of the game you are a truly gullible person and are not qualified to speak on this.

Seriously, not sarcastic at all.

John Gacy was a "pillar of the community" for a frame of reference.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Calmoto
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#254 - 2012-04-01 13:14:14 UTC
2 words

viper shitzle Cool
Ore Bunny
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#255 - 2012-04-01 14:08:02 UTC
Calmoto wrote:
2 words

viper shitzle Cool


Shizzle

2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2012-04-01 15:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Richard Desturned wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?

Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT?



There once was a company named Enron
Whose stockholders they shite on
While Author Anderson did their accounting
To show everyone their was no failing
Both are never again to be heard from


alright let's weigh the evidence

evidence supporting goonswarm being clean: transparent finances, we didn't get owned by CCP

evidence supporting pubbies' claims of us RMTing: *crickets chirp*


There was no evidence in the Enron case until it went poof in the night. My point is, accounting oversight has about the same credibility as a Goon himself.

Don't ban me, bro!

Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#257 - 2012-04-01 15:09:03 UTC
Ore Bunny wrote:
Calmoto wrote:
2 words

viper shitzle Cool


Shizzle

2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon.


Incorrectly spelt.

If you are going to pick on someone's spelling and grammar to try and hoist them you really should make some effort to get it right yourself.

Just saying.

PAN
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#258 - 2012-04-01 16:21:43 UTC
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:
Ore Bunny wrote:
Calmoto wrote:
2 words

viper shitzle Cool


Shizzle

2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon.


Incorrectly spelt.

If you are going to pick on someone's spelling and grammar to try and hoist them you really should make some effort to get it right yourself.

Just saying.

PAN


to spell (sth.) | spelled/spelt, spelled/spelt |
just sayin'
Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2012-04-01 16:31:12 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:
Ore Bunny wrote:
Calmoto wrote:
2 words

viper shitzle Cool


Shizzle

2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon.


Incorrectly spelt.

If you are going to pick on someone's spelling and grammar to try and hoist them you really should make some effort to get it right yourself.

Just saying.

PAN


to spell (sth.) | spelled/spelt, spelled/spelt |
just sayin'


Spelt is English, spelled is from that mangled version of English known as American, ie, not English at all.

Just saying.

PAN
Ore Bunny
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#260 - 2012-04-01 17:30:27 UTC
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:
Ore Bunny wrote:
Calmoto wrote:
2 words

viper shitzle Cool


Shizzle

2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon.


Incorrectly spelt.

If you are going to pick on someone's spelling and grammar to try and hoist them you really should make some effort to get it right yourself.

Just saying.

PAN


if your going to pick on someone's spelling, who is picking on someone's spelling, you should know what is English and what not.

just saying,

BRO