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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Shoot2kilI
The Milkmen
Churn and Burn
#361 - 2012-03-28 23:37:11 UTC
Remember that time that CCP made you sign a EULA/TOS when you landed in Iceland to participate in the alliance panel?

Yeah. Me either.

Make up your mind CCP. You are either going to be that terrible company from 6 months ago that made me unsub in the first place, or the company that you were last week which had me convinced that re-subbing my 8 accounts was going to be worth it. You seem to fail to understand that "news" outlets like massively do not care for Eve Online. Eve is not World of Warcraft, and those faggots cannot keep their cheetoh stained hands on the keyboard long enough to remotely understand this game. You guys are always going to have a bad public image because of YOUR attempt at MT. Unironically throwing the person under the bus who arguably helped patch this sinking ship is... narcissism in it's own way.

ITT CCP is killing itself.

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Taihbea
Doomheim
#362 - 2012-03-28 23:37:18 UTC
GunslingerBob wrote:
I can't be bothered to read this entire threadnaught, but I'll have you know this:

Unless CCP does the correct thing and holds a re-vote for ALL positions, I will be dropping this game like a steaming pile of elephant dung.

For a company that spouts about democracy and whatnot, they sure do love to pull one over on their customers.


Mang you really need to grow up an HTFU.
Don;t cross lines you are not allowed to and ALL WILL BE FINE...

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#363 - 2012-03-28 23:37:54 UTC
The only appropriate solution is to either leave Mittani on the council or start a new election. Disenfranchising a vocal group of players with 10,058 - 20% of the voting base - accounts between them is never, ever acceptable.

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Regrind
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#364 - 2012-03-28 23:38:32 UTC
Way to far CCP.
Joepopo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#365 - 2012-03-28 23:38:58 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
So what goons are saying is that 10058 votes gives people the right to break rules/laws/ethics amirite?


You're a NPC alt. Get out.
Lenier Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#366 - 2012-03-28 23:39:22 UTC
Andski wrote:
The only appropriate solution is to either leave Mittani on the council or start a new election. Disenfranchising a vocal group of players with 10,058 - 20% of the voting base - accounts between them is never, ever acceptable.


This.
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#367 - 2012-03-28 23:39:28 UTC
Rather interesting to see that those against this decision are goons and pets. Ignore those partisan postings and the general consensus is 'well done CCP'.
Kosh Seere
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#368 - 2012-03-28 23:39:56 UTC
Abyss Azizora wrote:
First time in years I've heard such WONDERFUL news on the eve forum. I think I'll do a little dance.

On a sidenote, I really don't care about what happened, I see that as "normal" in eve honestly nowadays. But if that thing got a goon rear end firmly parted by a boot on his way out the door... Then it's a freaking celebration to me. Where's a party emoticon when you need it?

Aww.... did someone get scammed?

Skill yourself!
OninoTimmo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#369 - 2012-03-28 23:40:12 UTC
:popcorn:

keep it coming, goonNOOBS, i've almost reached climax
Panda Name
The Chatsubo
#370 - 2012-03-28 23:41:07 UTC
please don't let riverini get a csm spot due to this.

please.
Rebnok
Dependable Delinquents
Fraternity.
#371 - 2012-03-28 23:41:09 UTC
Joepopo wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
So what goons are saying is that 10058 votes gives people the right to break rules/laws/ethics amirite?


You're a NPC alt. Get out.

I am not lol 10,058 GUUD FIGHT
Lenier Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#372 - 2012-03-28 23:41:34 UTC
Arrs Grazznic wrote:
Rather interesting to see that those against this decision are goons and pets. Ignore those partisan postings and the general consensus is 'well done CCP'.


I'm neither, but I think this is ******* pathetic. CCP letting fail gaming sites and Darius's pets ruin the best CSM head ever? Not good.
Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#373 - 2012-03-28 23:41:37 UTC
Corpesthorn wrote:
So instead of coming up with a viable solution CCP took the easiest way out..? 10,058


It's not the easiest way out, as I pointed earlier in another thread, it's the ONLY way out.

CCP cannot give in to a power block of players like goon specially when a very serious unethical behavior of a public figure and press figure related to the game was made publicly and on live stream.

It's either that or they will be opening an exception everyone will call upon in the future and they'll also be labeled as someone who can be manipulated by a mass of players that actually fail on the objective side of reasoning.

Be bullies, bada**es, whatever you want, in game, in character, you do that in public, to a miriad of a crowd you face the consequences of social ethical bounds.
Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#374 - 2012-03-28 23:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Temulkar Blaine
Townsend Harris wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
I applaud CCP for this decision, I will explain why before I am accused of being a political tool.

In the EU we have clear laws about behaviour on the internet and in public that differ dramatically from the US. in America your right to freedom of speech is guarenteed by the first ammendment. In Europe freedom of speech is limited by the law in ways your country does not it seems understand. Before you start to call us all fascists as has been said on some threads, think about the history of the last century in Europe and ask yourself why we have limited freedom of speech to protect against hate.
:words:

Again I would actually like to stress this is not a political post not a wum, This is actually somthing very good that CCP has done in sending out a clear message that certain behaviour will not be tolerated. It sucks for Alexander yes Im sure but he will bounce back from it if he wants to.

1- You're a political tool
2- Please explain how remarks made live via microphone can by CYBER bullying?
3- Does the EU Have laws against bullying? Are they EU Wide
4- I take back #1 you're just a tool.


1. predictable
2. under the EU data protectin act "when information and communication technologies are used to harrass individuals it is cyber harrassment. A live stream on the internet classes as a communication technology.
3. Yes the EU has a number of laws against bullying that are EU wide.
4. Thank you to your mature response to a serious issue both in society and us as a gaming community.
Rebnok
Dependable Delinquents
Fraternity.
#375 - 2012-03-28 23:42:00 UTC
also can we start a titan buff thread now?
Jim Luc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#376 - 2012-03-28 23:42:31 UTC
This is ridiculous, and I'm very sad for CCP right now. This had nothing to do with some guy using "suicide" to implore pity, but rather people who personally hate Alex, and Goons in general. I could care less about the Goons in-game or out - but honestly I'm very disappointed in CCP that they would not see through this charade.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#377 - 2012-03-28 23:42:52 UTC

Only part of the TOS that i'm seeing relevant here.

Quote:
You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. CCP does not guarantee that you will not encounter behavior of others that you may view as insulting, demeaning, offensive, threatening or harassing. You assume all risk associated with playing the Game, and CCP assumes no responsibility for the conduct of any other players, and shall not be liable to you or any other person for their conduct.


And that says that CCP will not be responsible.

Quote:
You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.


Arguably :

Quote:
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.


But he actually didn't THREATEN the individual himself. He said something stupid about other peoples choosing to do so of their own volition. Which should be handled on a case by case basis.


I understand CCP is all powerful in this matter. But seriously...

Removing him from the CSM is out of line.

Where I am.
Acadia Reina
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#378 - 2012-03-28 23:43:22 UTC
Atomic Option wrote:
Total overreaction on all sides.


The only person reacting appropriately (by not reacting) is The Wis himself, the noble miner "victim" whose opinion does not appear to have been consulted.

People always tell each other to kill themselves in online games. It comes with the territory and anyone who takes it seriously is a douche. That it happened in public doesn't make it worse or different.

If you can't take a joke, **** you.



This is exactly right. This entire storm is apparently built entirely on principle, taking no account of the reality of the situation. The supposed victim is nonplussed and generally indifferent. The apology was made and restitution given. Situation solved.

Everything I see now against The Mittani is just meta-gaming by his enemies. Maybe it will be effective, but it's also disingenuous to The Wis and to the supposed ethical right that so many people are chest-beating about.

People and CCP need to HTFU.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#379 - 2012-03-28 23:43:36 UTC
Andski wrote:
The only appropriate solution is to either leave Mittani on the council or start a new election. Disenfranchising a vocal group of players with 10,058 - 20% of the voting base - accounts between them is never, ever acceptable.


no its only 3% of the voting base!

get over your self goon...

seriously!

one year and then its all mittenz again... yayRoll


There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#380 - 2012-03-28 23:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
CCP,

Can you confirm you were also holding everyone who just happened to be on camera at fanfest accountable to the TOS/EULA? Family members / spouses who don't play the game .. the press .. ?

I am struggling to see how you can possibly think your terms of service apply to what someone says out of game, on camera when it is YOU and your providers who choose what is broadcast and when.

There is absolutely NO legal precedent for it.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,