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Nocxium: The Sleeping Giant
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Snatcha Pursia
EVE Corporation 98582134
#101 - 2012-04-05 16:23:25 UTC
lafforet wrote:
corestwo wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
It should be noted that low sec ores are the best supply of nocx - which is also where the least amount of mining is done. It might be interesting if nocx prices rise enough to make low sec mining lucrative enough to offset the risk.

This is part of the reason for my argument for 1200-1700/unit. Get up in that range and (provided my math is correct) a max skills max yield hulk with bonuses can get 60m/hr or more mining jaspet, hemorphite or hedbergite. That might just be enough to get some people to come out of their safe little highsec shell.


... where goons are waiting for you in cheap pvp ships. Big smile


Goons are not Keyser Soze mmmmkay?!?!
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#102 - 2012-04-05 16:39:27 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
It should be noted that low sec ores are the best supply of nocx - which is also where the least amount of mining is done. It might be interesting if nocx prices rise enough to make low sec mining lucrative enough to offset the risk.


But how many noob highsec carebear miners do you know what will jump right now into low sec and mine?

Hell, odds are they have NO IDEA that low sec ores are worth more.


oh and destroyer pvp should be tons of fun ganking those noobs
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-04-05 16:54:28 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
It should be noted that low sec ores are the best supply of nocx - which is also where the least amount of mining is done. It might be interesting if nocx prices rise enough to make low sec mining lucrative enough to offset the risk.


But how many noob highsec carebear miners do you know what will jump right now into low sec and mine?

Hell, odds are they have NO IDEA that low sec ores are worth more.

oh and destroyer pvp should be tons of fun ganking those noobs



I haven't run the math yet, but the first trick is to determine your isk/hour for your high-sec setup.

Next, you can calculate it out for using your high-sec setup, but losing Hulks and Orcas is going to really tear up your numbers.
So, you find proper tissue paper setups that are affordable to lose and determine that isk/hour rate. Once the cheap setup can out-perform the high-sec setup in isk, then you can try.

Use this to figure out the ore prices: http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

Drox
Debiru
Universal Fleet Operations
#104 - 2012-04-05 16:55:20 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
It should be noted that low sec ores are the best supply of nocx - which is also where the least amount of mining is done. It might be interesting if nocx prices rise enough to make low sec mining lucrative enough to offset the risk.


But how many noob highsec carebear miners do you know what will jump right now into low sec and mine?

Hell, odds are they have NO IDEA that low sec ores are worth more.


oh and destroyer pvp should be tons of fun ganking those noobs



This, partly. People might be willing to risk Retrievers and even Covetors for lowsec ores, but they won't risk their Hulks.

Plus, to get any real quantity of lowsec ores you need to travel a few systems into lowsec to get them.

We'll probably see a small increase in lowsec mining corporations/alliances, but no great migration of people. Scanning down a WH or two everyday with gravsites will be far easier and even safer than flying around lowsec mining fields. Plus the wormholes give you ABC ore, not just small pockets of Jaspet and Hedbergite.
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#105 - 2012-04-05 17:53:19 UTC
Wormhole Mining Expeditions. I can see some potential there, but lets not give ideas to people that can work against our mineral trading profitsTwistedTwistedTwisted
Mookie Quantico
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-04-05 20:49:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mookie Quantico
There's chatter about mid and high end ores in WH's getting axed at some point, too... buried somewhere in CSM minutes or some such document... so don't get your hopes up about *future* Nocx and Zydrine supplies coming out of WH's as they currently do.

As for prices... Nocx will continue to surge.. patch day is still a few weeks away... the PANIC hasn't even started yet. Twisted

And there are other minerals worth a moment or two of speculation, too, as the revenue rates continue to change on various ores.... Cool

Mook
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#107 - 2012-04-05 21:18:23 UTC
Mookie Quantico wrote:
There's chatter about mid and high end ores in WH's getting axed at some point, too... buried somewhere in CSM minutes or some such document... so don't get your hopes up about *future* Nocx and Zydrine supplies coming out of WH's as they currently do.


The reason I don't see that happening is that the risk is approximately equal between null / w-space. With null having easier logistics due to not having to worry about w-hole mass limits, while in w-space you can't be hot-dropped.
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#108 - 2012-04-05 21:42:17 UTC
Nocxium and Zydrine!

THE SKY IS THE LIMIT!!!
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#109 - 2012-04-05 21:49:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Raven Ether wrote:


Hell, odds are they have NO IDEA that low sec ores are worth more.
oh and destroyer pvp should be tons of fun ganking those noobs


You sure do assume a lot.....even though you know NOTHING.

All Low Sec Ores are scannable in High Sec grav Sites.

No need to go to low.....where everyone knows the more valuable ores are.

***
Mookie Quantico
Doomheim
#110 - 2012-04-05 22:32:04 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:


The reason I don't see that happening is that the risk is approximately equal between null / w-space. With null having easier logistics due to not having to worry about w-hole mass limits, while in w-space you can't be hot-dropped.


I'm inclined to agree with you, at least until the effects of the upcoming "Escalation/Inferno" changes are thoroughly analyzed by the number crunchers under Dr. Eyjo's watchful gaze.

A year or two year from now... who knows. I guess we'll just have to see where SCap and Cap production goes for the next few QEN's. Blink

Mook
Adunh Slavy
#111 - 2012-04-05 23:49:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Debiru wrote:

We'll probably see a small increase in lowsec mining corporations/alliances, but no great migration of people. Scanning down a WH or two everyday with gravsites will be far easier and even safer than flying around lowsec mining fields. Plus the wormholes give you ABC ore, not just small pockets of Jaspet and Hedbergite.



Have to see what the new crimewatch brings as well. It has the potential, though I think it is going to fall shy, of chaning low sec.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-04-06 06:16:42 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
Raven Ether wrote:


Hell, odds are they have NO IDEA that low sec ores are worth more.
oh and destroyer pvp should be tons of fun ganking those noobs


You sure do assume a lot.....even though you know NOTHING.

All Low Sec Ores are scannable in High Sec grav Sites.

No need to go to low.....where everyone knows the more valuable ores are.



Have you been in those grav sites? They are quite rare, not to mention that ore quantities are not that substantial. Most miners don't even bother. Only a few explorers mining them won't make a difference.

Anyway, keep expecting cheap Nocxium supplied through low sec ores. More profit for me.
Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#113 - 2012-04-06 17:44:51 UTC


I would say sell anything above 1,100 ISK. I don't beleive Nocxium will remain stable above 1,000 ISK for a long time. So now is the time to sell.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#114 - 2012-04-06 18:02:21 UTC
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fofofo
Sim Cognito
Obani Gemini Corporation
#115 - 2012-04-06 20:09:59 UTC
Block Ukx wrote:


I would say sell anything above 1,100 ISK. I don't beleive Nocxium will remain stable above 1,000 ISK for a long time. So now is the time to sell.





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corestwo wrote:
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Twisted
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#116 - 2012-04-06 20:18:06 UTC
Block Ukx wrote:


I would say sell anything above 1,100 ISK. I don't beleive Nocxium will remain stable above 1,000 ISK for a long time. So now is the time to sell.





Impossible to tell what will be the prices in a month.
But for the moment the prices have doubled in what? A week?
It is a typical bubble situation, or an EVE translation of the RL High Frequency Trading, where it is possible to see variations out of the reality.

I bet on a crash before the expansion and a slow raise after. 1929 style Smile

Only one thing is sure, the nocxium is way overpriced ATM.
In hazardous times, it is better to stick to basics!

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#117 - 2012-04-06 22:40:45 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:

Have you been in those grav sites? They are quite rare, not to mention that ore quantities are not that substantial. Most miners don't even bother. Only a few explorers mining them won't make a difference.


Yeah, that's a big issue with the size of grav sites. CCP makes the "small" ones so small that they're just not worth scanning down most of the time. Boost the size of grav sites by 5x in volume and they'll be a lot more interesting and worthwhile to go hunting for.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#118 - 2012-04-07 02:15:52 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:

Yeah, that's a big issue with the size of grav sites. CCP makes the "small" ones so small that they're just not worth scanning down most of the time. Boost the size of grav sites by 5x in volume and they'll be a lot more interesting and worthwhile to go hunting for.


People scan down the small but a Small Hemo with 2 Hemo, 4 Jaspet rocks and a 3 day despawn leaves alot fof empty Grav sites.
I've mined Pyro too though and it's a good ore, it just doesn't compete in the spreadsheets.

Last option, I have pretty much given up on but might happen is them returning some high end rocks to mining missions, the way it used to be. They need to start building reward systems around ATK rather than sec or they can expect the botters to come back a little smarter.
cuoredipietra famedoro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-04-07 22:56:21 UTC
Ank Parkor wrote:


Impossible to tell what will be the prices in a month.
But for the moment the prices have doubled in what? A week?
It is a typical bubble situation, or an EVE translation of the RL High Frequency Trading, where it is possible to see variations out of the reality.

I bet on a crash before the expansion and a slow raise after. 1929 style Smile

Only one thing is sure, the nocxium is way overpriced ATM.
In hazardous times, it is better to stick to basics!


It is also possible that nocx's price goes up and down between 700 and 1000 isk/u several times in the next weeks.

/me just saying.

Caeci caecos ducentes 
clonkrieger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-04-07 23:03:28 UTC
cuoredipietra famedoro wrote:
Ank Parkor wrote:


Impossible to tell what will be the prices in a month.
But for the moment the prices have doubled in what? A week?
It is a typical bubble situation, or an EVE translation of the RL High Frequency Trading, where it is possible to see variations out of the reality.

I bet on a crash before the expansion and a slow raise after. 1929 style Smile

Only one thing is sure, the nocxium is way overpriced ATM.
In hazardous times, it is better to stick to basics!


It is also possible that nocx's price goes up and down between 700 and 1000 isk/u several times in the next weeks.

/me just saying.


I agree... however, I hope it stays above 900 ;)