EVE General Discussion

I don't follow... people who want more PvP should be happy about the changes. Think of all the kinds of traps you can set! Instead of can baiting now you can noob ship bait! You can go after entire fleets! The possibilities are huge in my view. I've been doing semi-solo lowsec piracy (more cost effective) but now there's incentive to grow the corp and work more with others!


CONCORD should also check the forums for people who talk about dueing stuff and give them a perma GCC. The problem with suicide ganking is the suicide part. The new crimewatch mechanic is going to open up a whole new world of killing possibilities. I don't see suicide ganking being affected much in practice, though. It's just enforcing rules that have always been there (evading CONCORD etc...) I really thought there would be a tsunami of carebear tears over it but there isn't! I love it when we all agree!

I really like how you put that. Player farming. Carebear farming! What a wonderful concept! Haulers are my prey of choice (bigger cargo holds :D )! I'm sure not complaining... but "risk" isn't really how I would describe it. It's an efficiency equation. Average monthly lootz take over average monthly losses = profit. "PvP" as most define it is about the challenge of looking for 'good fights.' Piracy in my view is more about looking for easy money... 'good fights' run contrary to that principal. A "PvPer" carefully fits a ship for combat. A pirate cheaply and asymmetrically fits a ship for a quick in and out easy kill. The risk in PvP is in the initial fight itself. The risk for a pirate is in the time over target.

How does that relate to a pvp flag? A vigilante system would create more opportunities for gank on both sides while remaining fairly logical. In the current implementation, the people who exploit the convoluted aggro system are mostly miner farmers that rely on concord to keep them safe from most countermeasures.

Your argument is a vague association with WoW without any critical analysis. None of the people against this system have admitted that it's concord that allows them to play the way they do, yet criticize others whose play-style is shielded by it.

This is probably what many people would consider to be slightly off-topic but I feel it kinda needs to be said here. There are many (in my opinion, too many) people in this thread making what, to me, come across as pretty self-righteous posts talking about how the proposed changes to can-flipping and the like are good as they protect we newbies in this crazy game we call EVE.

Has it occurred to ANYONE in this thread, devs included, that we newbies may have come to EVE from whatever game we played previously precisely because it IS a cruel, unforgiving universe that we are given the opportunity to run free in?

I will hold my hands up and say...

"Hi, my name is Sativana and I am an ex WoW player."

Note the "ex" part. I got sick of WoW getting easier and easier and Blizzard constantly telling me I must be a moron by perpetually "dumbing down" their game "for me." Yea, thanks for that Blizzard.

Maybe, just maybe, we newbies are here because we seek a change from all that, a challenge, if you like. I know I will make mistakes along the way but they will be MY mistakes and I'd kinda like the freedom to make them, if it's all the same to you. It is noble and kinda sweet that many of you are getting on your high horses to protect me from "the evil scumbags" but I can only respond honestly and so to you I say...

"F*** off, I'm an adult. Don't protect me, I don't need it."

This death ray sounds 1) stupid and 2) story line breaking..

Police have ships, they come to your rescue, death rays? Come from where? The sky?

I swear, CCP are ruining eve each patch with stupid things like this..

A death ray feels more like Unreal Tournament and less space ships.

Game gets less appealing every year it seems, golden goose is cooked, now to add fries.

Should I get the torches and pitchforks now, or later?

Because I predict a witch hunt/damned near riot situation approaching with these changes.

implement most of these changes please.

Any updates on Crimewatch?

Without a finalized plan, for the most part, these Crimewatch changes seem pretty sound. As long as high sec players have an option for consensual pvp ...maybe even a popup......Soandso has invited you to consensual pvp....do you accept y/n? .... the rest makes perfect sense. If I'm walking down the street and I see some dude kick an old lady in the face and steal her purse, I should be able to chase that guy down, make a citizen's arrest, and get her purse back without consequence. This won't end high-sec crime - and as criminals often do, I'm sure people are already working to circumvent the new rules - it's just providing realistic consequences for a place termed "high security."

It's noteworthy that for some pirates, who wear their -10 sec stat as a badge of honor, the only way to get a -10 now will be to mass pod non war targets. Great...

But I absolutely appreciate the extra hit dished out if the target has a +5 sec status. Plotting against the President rightfully carries a much stiffer penalty than plotting against a crackhead you find living in your garage. That makes sense. But really I think they can go even further with this concept. I'd like to see this idea balanced and expanded into a second layer making faction standings also relevant.

Currently faction standings are almost a pointless game mechanic. You need 8.0 with one npc corp for jump clones, 6.67 or so with one for tax-free refining, and that's about it. Following the recent changes involving agent consolidation, accessing lvl 4s is pretty easy now...since if you accomplish one of the two other tasks, you're already over the mark.

I'd like to see faction standing play a much more integral role in game. The first thing we do in EVE is choose a race but our choice plays almost no part in most people's adventure. Your relationship with your government should influence virtually everything imo. Got a 10.0 faction standing with Caldari? If you get ganked anywhere in Caldari space, Concord arrival time should be significantly decreased since they're rushing to help a VIP. I envision faction standing being a factor in calculating taxes, trades, police response time, sec status hits, and if you want to get crafty, maybe even warp speed and/or an ehp bonus when in favored space.

These bonuses/penalties could also be different in each faction's space. If different wormholes can create similar bonuses/penalties, I'm sure it could be explained as some racial technological advancement. I just think it would add another layer of complexity to the dynamism of high sec and maybe give players a real reason to run cosmos, epic arcs, etc. It would be great if this was done in concert with new mission content but maybe these things could be revamped together while changes are being made.

I'm not that upset to see CCP making jetcan theft more difficult since new players seem to be disproportionately affected. Miners call it an exploit, but as I've already pointed out, the cans themselves also seem like an exploit. It makes no sense to me that a frigate with a 100m3 cargo hold can create an object that can hold 25x that amount. The can created would be larger than the ship. Jetcan volume should be directly proportional to the cargobay size of the ship that created it imo. Maybe doing it this way would even make the value of losses commensurate with the ship type doing the canning.

It seems like the only two options CCP has to motivate players in New Eden is by using carrots or sticks. Once they're done giving pirates the high-sec stick, I'd like to see some emphasis put on a low-sec carrot. Players need some kind of encouragement to venture into low beyond increased financial gain. That's already there. More won't do the trick. A lot of the risk-takers in game are already there. So how do you get those less-inclined to take risks to venture out? Maybe an ehp bonus might be helpful. +15 percent in low and +25 in null? I dunno. The percentages aren't important. The ehp bonus keeps coming to mind because it would afford high seccers added security they think they need to venutre into low and conveniently, it would also make pvp more challenging for the guys already out there.

Anyway, I read through most of this topic, got a headache, and these were my initial reactions...

Yonis Kador

I started typing a serious response to this post, but no. I just can't do it. I'm speechless.

Not in a good way.