EVE General Discussion

eww. Why would I do that?

It's the at the undocking and using it as the agressor that it is an exploit.

It's not a "noobs zone" while people can make many tens of millions of ISK per hour (once again, not even going to mention 200m/hour incursions).

Exactly this. EvE is about pvp anywhere, anytime, consenual or not. If that isn't a game you want to play then go elsewhere.

Hisec exploration will be 100000% more fun if theft flags you to everyone! DO IT!

Okay, now I am sold. I responded to the war dec changes thread earlier, very discouraged, but after reading about the rest of the changes to high sec, including the new can flipping rules, the aggression changes for logo ships, and the incentives to kill pirates wherever you see them, I am convinced that my previous reaction was wrong.

The proposed changes are a real step forward for new players. They will not be faced with overly complicated aggression rules in high sec. Pirates will have to be a bit more fearful coming into the safer part of space. Ganking will be harder but will still be possible, but players will be less likely to choose it as a career and if they do they will face more consequence in terms of sec status.

Seen in this light, the changes to the war dec system appear more livable entirely.

The new changes will give newbies a fighting chance in the game, and will make the job of teaching the aggression rules much simpler.

If this is true and new players do come to the game and get a chance to train up in a safer environment, it will make them more likely to stay in the game, will increase the numbers of players, and will help everybody in the long run.

Tease!

The old code of "dont fly what u cant afford to lose" would not apply to eve anymore. u have made 1 grave mistake with a previous update. have fun doing it again.

Not sure if this is covered yet, and 27 pages is a long read too long to find out, but:

The can aggro mechanic should be left alone as it is used by many people to get hisec fights 1v1. This is an integral part of Eve and I strongly urge you to leave it unchanged, OR make a nominal fine, say 1 M isk to have only the victim of the theft and his corp get aggression, and give an option to not pay and say "screw the police" and get aggression to everyone. Give the players a choice and dont take our ability to have agreed upon 1v1 fights in hisec.

I also would urge that you make theft aggress the not only the corp you stole from, but the players gang at that time and also their entire alliance. This moves towards what you are trying to achieve with the suspect flag, but does not impinge on other aspects of the game.

I recently participated in a roundtable discussion with the most experienced War deccers, Griefers, Can flippers, gankers, hooligans, ninja salvagers, awoxers etc. Many Eve luminaries participated:


Alekseyev Karrde of Noir., one of the most stable and longest-running merc corps of all time
Cannibal Kane, can flipper, mercenary, and representative of the independent solo highsec pvper
Lithalnas, director of Privateers, the group that was so OP at one point that CCP had to redesign the wardec system around their tactics
Iam Widdershins of PRONS, known for their skill and prowess in nearly every aspect of Eve
Istyn of Tactical Knightmare (also representing Suddenly Ninjas)
Psychotic Monk (myself), CEO of The Skunkworks, known for their work in killing ignorant incursion runners and long-time wardeccers.
ToxicOz, CEO of Double Tap, who are one of the most effective merc corps in highsec today.
TS5P, director of The Orphanage, which needs no introduction

The discussion is on soundcloud, found here

Some of it was covered just after this meeting at fanfest and some of what was talked about is redundant but getting these guys together was productive and they truly represent the hisec combat playerbase

That would result in no change to the current status quo, 1 million is a drop in the ocean and everyone would just pay. The illusion of choice is not the same as real choice.