Crime & Punishment

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12883092

the tornado had to make a ton of volleys for that, and did not get killed

also, the victim was in an npc corp and so no war

its also api verified

i find it interesting concord has a killboard also.
that man needs a medal

learn 2 have friends to fly with you
duh.
whether its 3. or 30. you watch your p's and q's. fly smart. or stupid. makes little difference to me.
it's gonna be the difference between flying back in your freighter or crying on ap in a pod

nevertheless, that would stil destroy the economy

do you have any idea how many freighters are flying in and out of jita every day? having an escort for every single freighter is near impossible to do, and should not be needed in high sec

i personally dont fly freighter, but this here is definitely an exploit

CCP could just as well make concord tankable again imo

this is a thread about boomeranging being an exploit, not about if highsec players should be safe or not

and with that technique, killing freighters in high is as easy as killing them in 0.0

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12883092

again, just to remember

the ignorance is strong in this one

and i'l stop spamming the thread at this point

Hello.

We, at Red Frog Freight, lost a freighter to that tactics.

Although a very nice tactics, it's one we feel is an exploit. The "evading concord" alone might not be one, but the use of it while another ship bumping the freighter without any consequence probably is.

For years, we've worked knowing that we could get ganked, and that's fair. It usually take between 12 and 15 ship to take a freighter down, so we based our max collateral on that. (1b)

But, losing a freighter to 1 ship? We feel that this is not WAI.

It would be fine if we could retaliate, but since freighter can't fit a webber, there's no way we can defend ourselves.

As you could imagine, if this spread, there wont be many freighter left to move stuff around. Red Frog (and probably Push too) would just stop hauling, and I'm pretty sure no one wants to use industrial to move stuff around either.

There's absolutely no way to evade such tactics if done by pros.

So please, GMs, tell us where you stand.

If you allow this, fine, we'll probably close up shop. If you don't, please reimburse all the lost freighters.

everyone fly tornados!

Yea! Freighters should quit EVE. They are obsoleted.

Expect a boost in Concord response time, warpscrambling ships with a GCC.

Perhaps with an Tornado it's not possible to warp around for 15 minutes to drop the GCC, but with a faster ship it is. A group of interceptors could probably pull this off quite easily. If this groups is big enough you can still take out anything.

As the latter is defined by CCP as an exploit ("Thou shalt not survive Concord!"), the fix to plug this, will likely put an end to the Tornado boomerang as well. The only question is whether we'll see it happen in the update next month or with Inferno.

Well, well, well.
Freighters are now vulnerable to enterprising Tornado pilots, using the tactic as a multiplier.
I commend those who brilliantly applied and modified this tactic to handle those beasts. This is a revolution that could have a large impact on high-sec logistics.

Instead of the 'brain dead' brute force solution that nobody seems to have a problem with (ie, 20 Tornados on a gate, and before that 20 Tempests, and before that 20 Dominixes)....

The Tornado Boomerang allows pirates to replacing raw numbers with finesse and skill. Hopefully this will lead to a significant increase in freighter destruction in the coming weeks.

This is something I've hoped to see for a very long time.

I've flown freighters for years. I've even lost two to suicide ganks, to the Cardshark Influence and the Russian Thunder Squad respectively.

But effortless logistics in highsec (and JF's in nulsec) is a bad thing - and has been a bad thing for a long time. Loading up a freighter and hitting the Autopilot button as a path to easy risk-free wealth needs to end.

"I fly a freighter and there is no escape! NERF TORNADO!" Nonsense.

-Don't fly AFK. Its MUCH harder to bump a freighter effectively if they know what is going on. An AFK freighter, on the other hand....can be juggled indefinitely.
-Bring an escort. Azarus would work nicely. Why? (Attacking Tornados are GCC'd. That means you can attack them, scramble them, etc.) and foil the entire attack. Doesn't even require the slightest PVP talent - just requires you to be there.

Yes, requiring escorts mean that logistics are now 'more difficult', but now "Red Frog" or anyone, can dispatch pilots or hire mercs to escort the freighters - and mark up your prices on delivery accordingly. Personally, I would LOVE to see escorted convoys in highsec.

Also, remember that more difficult logistics means that trade opportunities for profit increase significantly. Shortages of ships, mineral or commodities in regions lead to ample opportunities for interregional profit - for the SMART haulers, as well as industrialists who want to fill a void. Today, markets are relatively flat across highsec space.......mainly because of frictionless logistics.

"1 Tornado can kill a Freighter - NO FAIR!"
Get a grip people. Its possible, but it is a parlor trick. It takes a long time to accomplish - and is incredibly easy for ANYONE to disrupt. Its the equivalent of "Foolsmate" in chess, anyone with a brain can avoid it. Groups of 3-5 Tornados are much more realistically dangerous - but easily counterable via the methods above.

I'm sure the shrieks of indignation will be loud and the petitions will be thick. Miners can't be bothered to learn to tank, from some of these posts, I'm sure that freighter pilots are not relishing the idea of needing to have escorts. (Although in this case, escorts ARE actually able to DO something effective and protect the freighter...)

We have the potential here to see some major changes in the business of 'moving goods' in the next few weeks....if CCP sticks to a 'laissez faire' attitude - allows the experiment to continue. With luck, we've just witnessed EVE get a little bit 'larger'.