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My third bond (http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1266123&page=1#28). This one went through a number of permutations so is difficult to follow linearly from p. 1 due to edits but had a maximum liability of 38.4bil.

Here's a 16bil bond I secured last year (http://eve-search.com/thread/1554873-0/page/1#30) which I don't think overlapped with any of my bond.

Here's an earlier 15.5bil bond I secured (http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1433700&page=1#1) which did overlap with my last bond.

A couple of other notes (btw, I think this is a very worthwhile project, especially if you stick with it and don't get burned out by keeping it updated):

TornSoul's max expsoure needs a 100bil added to it. The bonds you note were for BMBE and were temporary but BMBE itself is a publicly owned corp with 100bil of startup capital (iirc). So, TornSoul is always in possession of that original 100bil of public money in addition to the extras. I couldn't find a link to the original thread (I believe BMBE has been running for somewhere in the region of 5-7 years now) but she posts a financial report on MD each month which may lead you back to the origins.

In general, how far back do you want to go with data for this? I have a document that has almost all the bonds from Oct 2009-Oct 2010 that I could send you but your time might be better spent dredging the last 12 months (then we could pool our data and get a nice view of over 2 years of activity).

Here is a link to a very old (June 2009) document

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rv6wUUbaRuqM0OehgHa17dQ&output=html

I still find it rather funny that both banks are gone, and 6 offers on the low risk turned out to be ran by scamers (Cosmoray, and Bad Bobby).

In addition, while I have no outstanding offers of my own, I was a 3rd party collateral holder and auditor for a significant length of time.

I have been debating compiling Chribba's lotteries and your lotteries. I think they actually fit all the requirements of being included in this list (active trustee, uncollateralized ISK debt). The only problem is, it would be a massive undertaking to compile all the links to the individual lotteries. I think I will put that on the backburner for a bit. I might summon up the energy one of these days, or some alternative idea on how to proceed might come to me.



Do you have any idea what time period that post would fall under? It would make searching for it a lot easier.

c. 18 months to 2 years ago. The answer was a reply to a question I asked on my main. It may have been in the last big BMBE bond thread or possibly the nearest BMBE monthly report to that (for some reason my memory is saying monthly report).

Another interesting question this raises is how to count IPOs as opposed to bonds (although it also has a minimal knockon effect for bonds too). Do you count as 'isk entrusted' just the initial investment in BMBE or the current value. Personally, I would incline towards the former as the isk growth has been worked for rather than potentially scammed and the later figure would involve scammed from investors + made for investors Basically, I would suggest counting only the isk that is taken out of the investors hands (it will also simplify valuing IPOs, some of which are rather opaque).

I think the place to quantify that credit is in a different metric, reporting amounts paid out or earned on investments. You can get that quite easily by multiplying bond lengths by interest rates and for IPOs, more problematically, by counting up dividends and increase in share value. I ran these figures a little while ago for the one year sample of data I had and there were few real surprises (a few people who ran bonds with ridiculously high rates were further up the list than you would expect on the basis of their bond size x length). It's pretty easy to guestimate the relative outputs though so your time is better spent, I think, on gathering the more fundamental info.

Version 1.3
- Added TornSoul IPO 1, IPO 2, Trust 1, Trust 2, Trust 3, Trust 4, Trust 5, Trust 6, Trust 7, Trust 8
- Updated TornSoul Maximum Exposure to 214.7b
- Added RAW23 Bond 3, Trust 1, Trust 2
- Added David Forge Bond 5
- Added Breaker77 Bond 1, Trust 1, Trust 2, Trust 3, Trust 4
- Added S'ylph Bond 1
- Added 2009 IPOs and Bonds

I'm sorry. I originally compiled just a few names. Additions to the list are now almost entirely from recommendations posted on the thread. Do you have a link? It makes things a lot easier for me to add them.

Version 1.4
- Added Resiin Bond 1
- Added Ariana DeSoto Bond 1

Maybe ask to sticky this? Its a lot of useful information gathered at one place.

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