Ships & Modules

This should be empty quoted for about 10 pages.

no **** then people would finally get a clue what the argument should be about.

someone doesn't understand timezone dominance!

So many tears, so much pain. So delicious.

For all of you who think "THIS NERF AM HOORIBLE, NOW WE NEED MORE PEOPLE!" don't get it.

This is what we've always wanted in the GSF. This is what CCP sold us on all these years. Have you all forgotten this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1

Look at it. Look at it, you damned morons. Thousands of ships engaged in a massive fight for a system. Thousands. Capital ships by the dozens with supercaps in support, in space filled with so many subcapitals that you can't see through them. Working together in coordinated fleets. Smaller ships combining their power to take on larger ones. Destruction and death in epic scale.

This is the game we were promised when we subscribed!

What part of the word massively in the term "massively multiplayer online game" don't you get?

We were not told we would have a game where a handful of risk-averse "1337" jerks who botted their way into giant
e-peens would be able to blow up anything and everything with impunity, used by players who hypocritically claim to be
about "good fites" when it only means to fight when you have more powerful ships than everyone else. Blathering about
"honour" while treating new players with contempt and using all their resources to get even more giant space wangs instead of actually helping them to make the more tedious aspects of the game (and they are legion) unnecessary.

You whine and moan and call us griefers when we're playing the game CCP wants us to play, hold your breath until you turn blue, then stamp your feet and threaten to take your ball away and go home. Feel free. Be my guest and don't let the door hit you on the gluteals on the way out.

I'm going to stick around and play the game I was offered in the first place.

If you would acctualy read what I said you would see I am talking about greater picture here where titans wouldnt be needed to counter massive fleets since they wouldnt exist. What the dev in OP is talking about is greater overhaul of titans only. The thing is titan fleets are a response to what existed before, huge fleets that can only be countered with better hardware by those that dont have same numbers. Thats why I quoted your alliance member who seems to understand the issue. Hotfix would be what he suggested, what CCP is doing is plain out nerf bat without much thought of the consequences.

Yes, titans and supercaps in general are in some sort of limbo because CCP doesnt know what role to give them, but making them POS ornaments isnt a solution. To be honest this whole game would need massive overhaul because CCP has been applying mostly "hotfixes" for years rather then properly re-doing the whole 0.0 concept of the game.

Yeah, and Raidendot's answer for that is to back Elise Randolph for CSM. Think on that for a bit.

Nobody wants titans to be POS ornaments, not even the CFC.

Did you not pay attention to the fact that there is an entire EXPANSION coming up focused on warfare?

This is the problem:


Right now, either side can win, as Goons have shown in Tenal.


Raiden is done, they're literally losing space and moons in the EU tz, despite outnumbering your supercap fleet.

You beat them, admittedly Mittens hit the brakes hard on the campaign so it wouldn't look so obvious, but they're done effectively.

What this means is that in the current game environment, people who spend a ton of money on hardware can compete with people whos main resource are warm bodies.



This change won't change that, and thats why its infuriating. Its literally a change just for the sake of change, its ham handed, it physically fixes nothing at all.


Thats what the retards in the thread seem not to grasp, all they see is somebody posting against the nerf and assume they're mad about the nerf because it gimps their toy. Thats not whats upsetting those of us with any form of game knowledge.

Post change, Titans will still track BC's, BS, and shield tanked cruisers (poor onyx and broadswords) just like they do now, they'll hit just as hard, the only thing the change accomplishes is that the initial barrage comes about 20 seconds later than it comes now.


The main point of argument here is that many of us see this as CCP trying to push the game towards numbers, the CFC of course cries that this isn't the case, though they would, as numbers are their primary arsenal. They in turn attack our primary arsenal against their blob calling it 'unfair' that we hold so much power. But when questioned about why having more people should be the deciding factor over more money, they don't really have an answer. They call the titans invincible and are shown active counters that work just fine, and when you ask them what the counter is to massive numbers they have fantastical stories about 1200 man fleets that sit around waiting to get hit by 200 bombers.


The infuriating part is simply that this nerf doesn't DO anything to the titans against sub caps, it acutally HURTS them against caps, something the dev blog says at the outset they want the titans to be good against.



Why change them at all until you're ready to roll out the complete package in a revamp? I mean hell, make it one of the primary concerns of the June expansion, fixing titans into a new complete role. Not nerfing uselessly for the sake of a nerf just to show people you you're doing something that you won't come back to for 2 years.




This is effectively akin to CCP going "We don't like blobs, fleets are now limited to 50 members only, but we'll iterate on it later so that you can have our new vision of fleets, we don't know when, but we'll do it, we promise". You see, nothing would change really, its a bit more of a pain in the ass to basically achieve the same thing you have now.

Joker Deville for CSM

You have no clue what happened but you speak like you actually know. Idiot? You're stupid enough to think you're smart. That wouldn't bother me but it seems you wanna show it to everybody. Congratz, now we all know you're just a pathetic loser. You're the only one who doesn't and will never know it. Cos you're too dumb. Fight titans and get the loss kill mail like a man.