EVE General Discussion

Is there any reason it has to be a 10 person corp, can it be 5 or 3 even?


Anyway regardless, you're proposing to have corp warfare on a level playing field, meaning a lot of corps won't be able to war-dec other corps. I don't like the idea anyway.

You've probably heard this before many times, EVE is a sandbox. As with any sandbox you should impose the least amount of artificial barriers as possible.

Not all players from the corp are on at the same time anyway and that could make a difference of more than 5% between two corps at war. Who would the goons fight? Are you also including alliances?

I really don't see it working and certainly I think it would kill EVE as it is now.

You may as well just forget war in EVE altogether and just have arena matches.

nice "fact" you have there

double training speed bonus below 1.6m SP has been gone for over a year now.

... and looking at your character age you started with ~800k SP (opposed to the ~50k SP new characters receive today)

- When a newbie loses his first few ships, an Agent should contact him and tell him how pvp in eve works. Encourage him to build up some isk for a pvp ship, suggest 'easy' but EFFECTIVE training options like Interceptors and Dictors for 0.0, etc, or join a large alliance, or even suggest infiltrating that attacker's corp/alliance.

- Present him with HIS pvp options. When a newb is killed he looks at it like "overpowered vet killin newbs... i have no chance." The right words from an agent could turn that around.

- Agents should encourage newbs to join established corps first for training purposes. Tell them that building corps is best saved for LATER in the game. Literally tell him that he'll enjoy the game more that way. I think some alliances such as Eve Uni and RvB should even be specifically promoted to them.

- Recruitment Ads should be more prominent. Display them in CQ TV's. Display them on Billboards. After a player has run a few missions or mined x ammount of material, have an Agent contact him with tips on using the Recruitment Ads window. and again, encourage him to join a big established corp.

- "Size Of Corp" in Recruitment should be defaulted to 500+

I started EVE when peak on a weekend was around 10k players.

my first 2 weeks was the free trial, immediately after that ended I moved out to low sec. Got blown up alot, learned alot.

the difference between EVE from then and now is the current playerbase.

I would lose ships, people would notice my fit wasn't that good and instead of going LOLZ WTF NOOBZORZ LEARN HOW TO FIT A SHIP

they would open a convo and say "hey you seem to be new to EVE, here's what you should try to make your ship fits better" and would let me know what modules to use and what they did.

that doesn't happen today. Things like that kept me interested in the game up until recently. What drives the new players away quite simply is the scamming and griefing. Sure the game is hard. That will definately make people go back to thier easier games.

But VERY FEW people want to log into a game fly around in thier hauler with all of thier stuff to find a new home to grow/experience only to get popped by 2 cheap T1 destroyers for thier 20-30 mil worth of loot which is thier life savings. (which most of it doesn't even drop anyways)

Or if they are flying around in thier pod to get podded simply because they are in a pod...

No new player wants to deal with that sort of crap. CCP has let it get this bad the onus is on them entirely. I don't blame the players for this they are just doing what most little kids do, see how far they can push the limits.

The way I see it, if EVE went back to 10k peak or 20k peak it would be a better game without the instant gratification crowd. So unfortuntely I can't support getting more little kids who think greifing each other in high sec in T1 ships and laughing if they ruin the game for other people. The fewer the better.

Yeah, everyone should just be invulnerable in highsec. Even when incursions are going on. The power of CCP will keep you safe from them just as well as it does from - Actually wait.

Concord doesn't give a damn about the massive invasion fleet, but sheesh one catalyst shoots a hauler and they're all over it. Why don't they ignore a player invasion fleet...

As a (bitter?) old vet, let me relate my early days of being a newbie...

The game was a download file only without a true rating attached to it. That is, while today it is labeled with a "Teen" rating, back then it was borderline "Adult" with items and themes that matched. When my very first mission with Caldari Navy was to supply the agent with a stash of drugs because she was the local supplier, I knew then this game was not another kiddie game. But I am getting ahead of myself.

Aura was borderline indifferent towards new players. "Here is your rookie ship." "Undock using the yellow arrow keys in the lower left hand corner." "Target the station but do not shoot at it." "Warp out to an asteroid belt and target an asteroid." "Let the mining laser run until you collect some rock." "Return to station." And then it was a kick in the ass and told to go make my own destiny in this grand universe. No further hand holding was offered.

Players as a whole were much more mature in my opinion back then. You did not have the constant stream of slang terminology, much less the pursuit of "tears". In fact, players were much more helpful without the need to get a quit killmail when the odds were definitely in their favor. As a personal example, I figured out how to use the market and bought something that was cheap for my Merlin frigate. I set out to retrieve the item and whereas today I would get warning messages that I am about to enter low security space, back then there was no such stoppage. So away I went to get my module, exited the station, and stopped to watch two players shooting themselves apart. After one blew up and I was thrilled, the other looked at me and noted I was relatively new. So after a round of questions based more around how do I like the game so far, this person explained to me the various differences between the security spaces, various career paths in the game, and other finer points. Then this player told the local chat I was leaving the area and I was hand's off since I was new (and green). And yes, nobody went for a cheap kill and let me pass.

The agent rewards were much different then too. Until manufacturing players protested, agents handed me enough ammunition and missiles to rival modern day stockpiles (to this day, I still am wittling those piles). Occasionally I would be granted skill books as rewards, Hmm, "Sharpshooter" - whoa, this skill would be handy!, since there was no EveMon to set the perfect path. Nor were there remaps, much less skill queues to build the optimal set-up. What you started with based upon what you read during your character creator days was what you lived with from there on out. And while there were some similarities among the races, each of the four races were quite distinct in appearance while retaining that futuristic space look (still waiting for my battle scars / facial implants CCP)...

So back to the topic - over the years, CCP has made it easier and easier and easier for players to get into the game and get a foothold in the universe. Yet it seems to me the overall player base has changed to an instant gratification crowd: nobody wants to wait, nobody wants to ~work~ (in a game!), and everybody wants to be the hero right now. Players get these radical ideas in their heads that skill points equals experience points and will never "catch up". Hell, CCP has made it easier to "catch up" compared to years ago; yet new players do not see that. New players are not fond of cutting their teeth on destroyers and frigates - they want the biggest, baddest ships right now or else they are leaving. And if they are not scared off by the pure time element with skill training, they throw a tantrum when the ship's maiden voyage ends in a wreck because the subsequent side skills are poor to non-existant and there is no reset button in this game.

Is Eve dying? - perhaps it is... but if it means that CCP needs to rip out what made this game special to me and all the other players that have stuck around through thick and thin just to placate a new breed of players, then Eve would be camatose and on life support with the death knell ringing in the near future.

But that is my opinion.

Thanks for reading.