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Except it's not 1.5 month longer, it's 2 days for training destroyers to 4 between frigate and cruiser skill.

So CCP, what exactly is it? You've only released incomplete statements about how current skills will translate over to your new system



This tidbit makes it seem the progression you are aiming at

Racial Frigate IV unlocks Racial Destroyer
Racial Destroyer IV unlocks Racial Cruiser.
Racial Cruiser IV unlocks Racial Battlecruiser
Racial Battlecruiser IV unlocks Racial Battleship
Racial Battleship IV unlocks Racial Capital

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So I could fly any of the destroyers with racial frigate 1 and racial destroyer current on TQ. I could fly any battle cruiser on TQ with racial cruiser III and Battlecruiser III

I could fly Cruisers, Battlecruisers, Battleships and Capitals without destroyers on TQ
I could fly Battleships and Capitals without battle cruisers at all on TQ

So if I had neither battlecruisers or destroyers trained but say racial battleship IV trained, I wouldn't be able to fly it without getting both racial destroyer IV or racial battlecruiser IV post patch

So assuming that you will be able to fly all ships you can fly post patch, any level of racial cruiser trained would need to get a racial destroyer to IV added to your characters skills. Any level of racial battleship or capital would require both racial destroyer AND racial battlecruiser IV to be added to the character sheet



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Alright so any levels trained of Destroyers and Battlecruisers will translate to the 4 new racial variations

But on TQ, you only need racial frigate III and destroyers I to fly a destroyer. You only need racial cruiser III and battlecruiser III to fly a battlecruiser. The new system implies you need all smaller ship classes to IV to move up a ship hull

An example, somebody with Caldari Cruiser III, Battlecruiser V and the skillbook for destroyers not injected at all. What would they get? They could get all racial variants of battlecruiser V added to their skill sheet but they would be lacking not only Racial Destroyer IV, but also Racial Cruiser IV. Would this example get those additional skills as well in order to follow on CCP's soundwave statement that you will be able to fly everything you could pre-patch?

Or say somebody with Battlecruiser III, destroyer II and Racial Battleship V. If you translate the original battle cruiser and destroyer skill levels, they will get all racial destroyers II and all racial battlecruisers III. However, this will not allow them to fly battleships or larger in the new system (since they don't have racial destroyers to IV or cruisers to IV)

In order to get all Racial Battlecruisers to V and all Racial Destroyers to V, do you need to train other things assuming you already have Battlecruisers V and Destroyers V on TQ currently? If you have any battleship or capital skills would you need to train destroyers to IV and battlecruisers to IV to use those?

So I take it's that those who have BC V will have all racial BC V skills when this change goes live ?

Only way to have this makes sense is to see what ship you can currently fly, so if I learn all (racial)frigate- to IV and cruiser skills to III and I get all the goodies from BC skill change re: 3x BC V insta learned ?

So I'm going to go from being able to fly 4 different battle cruisers at level 5 to only being able to fly one.... Brilliant

I want at least double the amount of the skill points currently needed to train BC's to 5 back when this change happens.

Edit: okay, after reading a CCP post above, as long as I will be able to fly the ships I can fly now at the same level, I'll be happy... Especially if it paves the way for pirate faction BC's

I really like the general idea of these changes, looks promising. For now, I will not b+tch about details like skill point reimbursement and stuff, I consider the whole thing "work in progress" and I am just going to assume that those details will be decided upon later with ample feedback by the CSM.


thumbs up for those new ideas.

Initial thoughts are that we'll see even fewer Command Ships being used.

If the time to train figures are accurate then its effectively another "screw you" to a long-suffering ship class. I think you'd have to nerf T3 command boosts into the ground to make this even remotely fair.

It looks like a very very brave decision you're taking on this, might make things better but is more than likely just to lose you existing customers, which you really cannot afford to do as your retention rate for new players is still absymal.

You're obviously going to do it regardless of feedback so may as well get things "set in stone" ASAP so people can decide whether they can be bothered training up stuff again which they can already use now. Might just be the straw which breaks this particular "camel's back"......

About BS at 4 for Capitals, but for what i train BS at 5 aorun 1month 10 days? for what i need this skill on capital pilot who never fly on any ships smaller Capitals.

Do You have plan about reimbush this ?

Nice can of worms you opened there CCP :-) This will be intersting. Luckily I am not going past frigates, so no problem for me.

I am quite interested in what will happen. I have the destroyer skillbook but not injected. Also I have Gallente cruiser 4.

Interesting changes. I hope this brings new uses to the outdated ships that lost out du to the tier system.

Here's an important question:

Does removing ship tiers also affect production/research cost? Since higher tiers cost more to produce, does the removal of tiers mean that the ships respective production/mineral/research costs will be equalized aswell?