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Why the NExX store failed
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Ayuren Aakiwa
Anoikis Equilibrium
Honorable Third Party
#41 - 2012-03-03 03:23:00 UTC
Am I the only one that really doesn't want to see a bunch of bright pink space ships in eve. What?
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#42 - 2012-03-03 03:29:32 UTC
Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:
Am I the only one that really doesn't want to see a bunch of bright pink space ships in eve. What?


No but being able to put navy style camo and whatnot on ships pretty awesome and it just comes with the territory unfortunately.

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-03-03 04:09:44 UTC
@Tippia pg1.

purpose is self-made.
If you do not want it to have any, it simply will not have any...
Same as anything else in life/death and whatever you believe comes after.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#44 - 2012-03-03 04:27:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
1. It had no clearly defined purpose, and the one purpose it was superficially supposed to have (act as an MT store) was not fulfilled simple because it completely broke the fundamental design principles for such a store. MT stores work wonderfully because you remove pricing from the decision-making process… the NeX does the exact opposite and therefore fails as an MT store.


The Noble Exchange is not a MT store. It is a luxury virtual goods store. We've had this discussion numerous times, Tippia, and you still seem to have it stuck in your craw that Gucci aren't selling handbags for $5.

Repeat after me: NOBLE EXCHANGE IS NOT A MICROTRANSACTION ITEM STORE, NOBLE EXCHANGE IS A LUXURY VIRTUAL ITEMS STORE

The purpose of the NeX (as indicated in the opening announcement sent via EVE-mail to everyone) is to allow the obscenely space-rich to show off their wealth through conspicuous consumption: displaying a monocle that cost the equivalent of $70 of real world money. I contend that the emotional outpouring that has occurred over the Noble Exchange indicates that it has served its purpose very well.

Tippia wrote:
2. It just introduced another currency that is completely unnecessary for what it does. It just piles on dead code. AUR was meant to be a more granular PLEX, but that granularity turned out not to be all that necessary.


I suspect that AUR will come into play as "more granular PLEX" when we're allowed to use it for contracts.

Tippia wrote:
6. CCP failed to do any expectations management whatsoever. They did not explain the purpose of the store. They did not explain the pricing structure of the store. They hinted at new gameplay and new professions, but failed to deliver. They did not test the store or gather any feedback, and instead did the early-alpha-stage testing in the live environment.


Can't argue with that, though they did speak to the press about their virtual luxury items, and made a few poorly received attempt to explain the concept of "luxury goods" to players. The players, of course, threw those messages right back in CCP's faces because the player were too fixated on "micro transaction store" and didn't want to hear about luxury virtual goods.

You didn't address the NeX spawning items into being without any player created content, and the ubiquitous nature of the NeX: both features that were not previously part of the game.

You can do better than this, Tippia.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#45 - 2012-03-03 04:29:41 UTC
Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:
Am I the only one that really doesn't want to see a bunch of bright pink space ships in eve. What?


This is one of the issues that CCP raised in explanation of why they haven't rushed to get ship skins out sooner: they refer to it as "Time To Penis", and their estimate (from memory) was that TTP for a pink Thorax would be measured in nanoseconds.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#46 - 2012-03-03 04:31:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Mara Rinn wrote:


Repeat after me: NOBLE EXCHANGE IS NOT A MICROTRANSACTION ITEM STORE, NOBLE EXCHANGE IS A LUXURY VIRTUAL ITEMS STORE


You can polish a turd and call it a pearl, but it's still a turd.

Linky

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2012-03-03 05:02:39 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
The Noble Exchange is not a MT store. It is a luxury virtual goods store.
Potayto potahto. They've called it an MT store themselves and it does everything an MT store does. Just because they fail at pricing things properly to activate the psychology behind a successful MT store doesn't mean it's not an MT store — it just means it's a failed one…

Also, you need to read that part in the context of the NeX/CQ débâcle during the summer when they hadn't really explained what the hell they were trying to do yet. At that point, it was quite clearly an MT store (and the only reason it might not be considered one today is because they abandoned it after the outcry).
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The purpose of the NeX (as indicated in the opening announcement sent via EVE-mail to everyone) is to allow the obscenely space-rich to show off their wealth through conspicuous consumption
…which is just another example of its purpose not being communicated properly, since its actual purpose is to be a PLEX sink. The EVE-mail also says something rather different than the dev blogs discussing it, which further piles on the “not communicated properly” points.

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Can't argue with that, though they did speak to the press about their virtual luxury items, and made a few poorly received attempt to explain the concept of "luxury goods" to players. The players, of course, threw those messages right back in CCP's faces because the player were too fixated on "micro transaction store" and didn't want to hear about luxury virtual goods.
…largely because CCP themselves used the two interchangeably — their virtual-goods drive was a move towards an MT model. There's really no two ways about it. We haven't mentioned Fearless yet, but that's what really blew the lid off the whole thing, and that's where it was made quite clear that no, the NeX was not just about luxury goods.

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You didn't address the NeX spawning items into being without any player created content, and the ubiquitous nature of the NeX: both features that were not previously part of the game.
Actually, I did — it's all over the place. Point 3: “it completely fails to integrate into the core gameplay”; point 5: “it threatened to break the industrial cycle”; point 6: “They hinted at new gameplay and new professions, but failed to deliver.”

What you're commenting on is just the cliff notes of my 5,000-word NeX/CQ response (it's hard to fit 5,000 words into a 6,000-character post). It may not be as explicit, but it's there.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#48 - 2012-03-03 05:05:31 UTC
Enquirer wrote:
They were dressing up the wrong things. Who cares if i got some new cloths, no one can see them.

But just imagine if the NEX store sold PAINT jobs for your ships, instead of cloths for characters that no one could see.

In my opinion, I believe it would have been a huge injection of cash for CCP. I know personally I would have had afew ships done. And would be willing to do it with real cash.

make it happen.



I for one DON'T want to see a bunch of pink and yellow space ships flying around. It will ruin the ambience of the game. What?
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-03-03 05:33:41 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Enquirer wrote:
They were dressing up the wrong things. Who cares if i got some new cloths, no one can see them.

But just imagine if the NEX store sold PAINT jobs for your ships, instead of cloths for characters that no one could see.

In my opinion, I believe it would have been a huge injection of cash for CCP. I know personally I would have had afew ships done. And would be willing to do it with real cash.

make it happen.



I for one DON'T want to see a bunch of pink and yellow space ships flying around. It will ruin the ambience of the game. What?


Dont worry it will not happen..

There will be pre-designed skins with pre-designed logos and ofc .. alliance banners along the way somewhere in far far away future Big smile

Sure you can do it locally, but you will be the only one who see it.. so ..
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-03-03 05:38:34 UTC
It failed because they were giving us cloths to make us look like Abercrombie models.

I have more space likes than you. 
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-03-03 06:16:15 UTC
How would this work?

-Get rid of aurum.
-GTCs as they exist in game are not a whole unit, but a 1/10th or 1/20th or whatever. (One "whole" GTC gets you the same game time) and can be divided, traded and turned in
-Everything on the exchange is purchased with GTCs. Want pants? .1 GTC please. Want a paintjob for your vargur? .3 GTC please

????
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#52 - 2012-03-03 06:17:34 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
How would this work?

-Get rid of aurum.
-GTCs as they exist in game are not a whole unit, but a 1/10th or 1/20th or whatever. (One "whole" GTC gets you the same game time) and can be divided, traded and turned in
-Everything on the exchange is purchased with GTCs. Want pants? .1 GTC please. Want a paintjob for your vargur? .3 GTC please

????


ISK

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Ann133566
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-03-03 06:54:10 UTC
I still have the 5500 free AUR that CCP gave us all. I'm not likely to spend it, which says it all really. Don't care for ship logos are fancy decals, vanity will get you killed in this game. Remember what happened to that State Raven? Although if I could strap the corpse of the guy who popped my Typhoon onto the hull of my ship.....
Ayuren Aakiwa
Anoikis Equilibrium
Honorable Third Party
#54 - 2012-03-03 18:26:11 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:
Am I the only one that really doesn't want to see a bunch of bright pink space ships in eve. What?


This is one of the issues that CCP raised in explanation of why they haven't rushed to get ship skins out sooner: they refer to it as "Time To *****", and their estimate (from memory) was that TTP for a pink Thorax would be measured in nanoseconds.


Thank goodness at least they're are aware. It could be very cool if maybe you could customize the ships colors but only within a certain variety that still fits in with the racial theme's of that ship. Corp logo's though, Straight seems like lot's of work on ccp's part for something that you really won't even see outside of the station.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#55 - 2012-03-03 20:23:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleia O'Sinnor
I'd pay 12500 AURUM for a hello kitty paint shop on my mean looking Thanatos lol!

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
ACESsiggy
Tactical Withdrawal Team
#56 - 2012-03-03 20:34:35 UTC
yea, the cloths are pretty lame .. all black and grey. Now if they took some of the **** from the acutal EVE Store for clothing and injected it into the game for the characters > kick ass. Qaufe tshirt is the only descent thing.


Ship skins sound awesome Cool

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Trini Soren
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-03-03 20:53:46 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
yea, the cloths are pretty lame .. all black and grey.


Not quite...all.

The stuff is in the DB. Just needs to be released some time. I'd pony up some aurum for a little more color, to be honest. Some players, myself included, rarely leave the station. I can only go over profit margin reports and build stats in BPs so many times before I'm ready to scream.

I don't mind saying that playing dress up fritters away some time for me while waiting for the latest ship to come out of the manufacturing facility.

So unlock the items I see in the marketplace that are currently unavailable. I will buy them. Might even put a nice paint job on my JF if the price is right.
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-03-03 21:05:23 UTC
I think Nex right now is indeed fail, but I do think its a perfect platform for such things as +6 and +7 learning implants.

I think custom paint jobs on ships wont really work because there will only be a certain set that you can have and when everyone has those it no longer has the appeal.

Unless you can truly make a custom paint job which I doubt.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-03-03 21:39:37 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
How would this work?

-Get rid of aurum.
-GTCs as they exist in game are not a whole unit, but a 1/10th or 1/20th or whatever. (One "whole" GTC gets you the same game time) and can be divided, traded and turned in
-Everything on the exchange is purchased with GTCs. Want pants? .1 GTC please. Want a paintjob for your vargur? .3 GTC please

????


How about content for players in a subscription based MMO such as cloth production and design ???
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-03-03 21:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
How would this work?

-Get rid of aurum.
-GTCs as they exist in game are not a whole unit, but a 1/10th or 1/20th or whatever. (One "whole" GTC gets you the same game time) and can be divided, traded and turned in
-Everything on the exchange is purchased with GTCs. Want pants? .1 GTC please. Want a paintjob for your vargur? .3 GTC please

????


How about content for players in a subscription based MMO such as cloth production and design ???


*Manufacturer***

1-9 slots .. manufacturing tempests
10-19 slots .. manufacturing vargurs
20-29 slots .. manufacturing pants
30-39 slots manufacturing shirts.
30-33 slots manufacturing custom painted Tempests
34-36 slots manufacturing custom painted Vargurs

Big smile