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CSM - Do you think? (... continued)

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#361 - 2011-10-27 04:55:55 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Quote:
This is a business not a "game" about spaceship



Whatever makes more money wins.


The optimum business model is to keep the people in empire happy and the people in null sec happy. To produce mindless carebears that do nothing but pile up ISK and idiot Nullbears who do the same thing in 0.0, flying in massive fleets like sheep, thinking that they are better because they do.



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Down with the "EVE Faith Religion!"


Grow up tools and get a life outside of this MMO.


P.S.
Yes you can do both.

I think the info release about his expansion, while awesome of everyone, is definitely favoring the gankers, not the gankees...

Tier 3 BCs are gonna eat EVERYTHING for breakfast

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Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#362 - 2011-10-27 10:18:14 UTC
[/quote] Tier 3 BCs are gonna eat EVERYTHING for breakfast[/quote]


I hope so! Plus the Talos looks amazing. I do think that we are very stuck on the ganker/gankee equasion. I Yesterday dropped in to null sec to see what it is like and post my opinions on line and it was an interesting experience. What it did show me, which is what i thought, that people are people where ever and are a much of a muchness with decent people and **** in the same quantities as highsec.

I will post my day in NullSec in general when i get a chance, and i sure i will be discribed as a stupid noob, but it was fun and educational.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#363 - 2011-10-27 10:59:11 UTC
Elson Tamar wrote:
Quote:
Tier 3 BCs are gonna eat EVERYTHING for breakfast



I hope so! Plus the Talos looks amazing. I do think that we are very stuck on the ganker/gankee equasion. I Yesterday dropped in to null sec to see what it is like and post my opinions on line and it was an interesting experience. What it did show me, which is what i thought, that people are people where ever and are a much of a muchness with decent people and **** in the same quantities as highsec.

I will post my day in NullSec in general when i get a chance, and i sure i will be discribed as a stupid noob, but it was fun and educational.

Don't be so sure, just try not to sound like an ass. If you find someone willing to talk to a neut in local at all(doing so is free intel) they are probably willing to do so out of boredom.

Or you managed to find a capitol system

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Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2011-10-27 23:01:48 UTC
Sorry if i offended, the point i was trying to make, in a rather hamfisted way was that the people in Null seem just like the people in high, just with more pew pew, but there still seems to be this weird anomosity between high and null. An anaomsoity that seems based on nothing.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#365 - 2011-10-28 23:41:25 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Think how many newbies would hit a warp bubble, die and quit?

Not everyone goes at the same pace, leave options open.


Pretty much none, if they were introduced to the mechanic properly (i.e. in their first day/week when they have little to lose). The problem is that highsec forms a false illusion of safety in people, who are then very unwilling to move into what they view as more dangerous space.


running ppl on rails into 0.0 isnt what a sandbox is.
You cant create a sandbox game then ***** when theyre not playing it right.
there IS no right if its a true sandbox, which is what everyone calls this. If you start railing everyone alone level paths you lose the sandbox and turn it into something more akin to WoW. Where you can go where you want but if youve outlevelled an area youre not gonna profit by staying in there.

Please dont put WoW in my EVE. I like the flavor of my EVE as is.


still this lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#366 - 2011-10-29 01:39:55 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
still this lol


*Bump for that*

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Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding
#367 - 2011-11-03 21:03:37 UTC
WHY ARE ALL OF YOU PUBBIES SO GODDAMN STUPID?! You think that CCP sits around sucking the CSM's dicks and saying "OH YEAH! That's a great idea, oh awesome, we'll do everything you say!" **** NO. The CSM is there for CCP to throw their ideas at, the CSM says, "Oh ok, that's cool." or "That's kinda dumb." Then they throw out their own ideas and CCP says yeah ok, or no that's too much work. That's it. Nerfs abound? Blame CCP. ****'s imbalanced? Blame CCP. You can't make 100 billion in a day in highsec? Blame CCP.

And if you dont like how many nullsec residents are on the CSM, blame the last CSM for their ******** remove Jump Bridges, nerf anoms, kill local, etc. sperging. That made us go "OH ****" and try to keep null from turned into an utter shithole.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#368 - 2011-11-03 23:12:44 UTC
Oh hey look...another reason to reset TEST.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#369 - 2011-11-04 02:27:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Princess Cellestia wrote:
First paragraph; CSM can't change anything.

Second paragraph; last CSM changed a bunch of things.


You don't make any sense. Straight

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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#370 - 2011-11-05 04:18:19 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

You don't make any sense. Straight


Neither do you, nor does this thread.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#371 - 2011-11-06 01:38:16 UTC
To address the OP - No, I don't think there is a conflict of interest on the CSM (by the chair or anyone else). I do believe that null sec'r's organized and got a candidate/slate of candidates to represent their issues - all by the rules, and within the rules.

I don't think any of the CSM's (who put in a metric krap-ton of their personal time trying to make the game as a whole better) wnt to *break* the game for others. I do sincerly believe that the mittani *Ioves* it when people ascribe to him this cloak and dagger veil, as if he were some superhuman spying/conspiring/ebil being. He's just a guy who is very good at social manipulation, who has found an in-game avenue of expressing himself. He knows how to express himself, he knows how to communicate, and he's head of a large alliance/group that is willing to vote for him (along with a lot of other people).



Now, as to other concerns in this thread...

WH's are probably the best thing CCP has introduced since I've been playing (feb/2008). WH's may connect anywhere, to anyone, at any time. Mass restrictions mean there are limits to what you can move around, or how you can move at all. It makes the game very much more (imho/ymmv/etc., etc.,) strategic and fun. There are no "sov" mechanics, so you can only keep that which you can hold. How much you can "hold" is very dependent on how much effort you put in, and even then, there is *no* guarantee that 16 - 24 hours from now, you will meet up with someone willing to put out more effort, with more people, for longer than you can.

In WH's then, you get unrestricted PVP (no sec status/concord concerns), good pve (sleepers *will* keep you on your toes) and encouragement to be engaged with your corp to achieve common goals. There is also the risk of everything you have, as there are no indestrctable stations. You bring it into a wormhole, you better be ready, willing and able to write it off. I really don't know how "k-space" 0.0 *could* be more attractive than WH's.

Will nerfing hi-sec move some people out to k-space 0.0? Maybe some, but I would guess that because there is room in WH 0.0 for much smaller groups that WH space would gain more than k-space 0.0 from such a change.

Why go to k-space null, when you can claim your own little piece of eve for yourself, write your own *epic* space news stories and be your own boss?

0.0 anoms are getting a buff (from what I read), I'm really interested in finding out how that works for those alliances.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding
#372 - 2011-11-07 13:27:41 UTC
Holy **** the pubbies are getting smarter, or just ignoring this thread, which still means getting smarter.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#373 - 2011-11-07 13:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Princess Cellestia wrote:
Holy **** the pubbies are getting smarter, or just ignoring this thread, which still means getting smarter.


It is two months old and in a dead area of the forums. Enthusiasm only lasts so long. Roll

Edit: I still keep getting Likes on it though. -.^

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#374 - 2011-11-07 20:19:31 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Edit: I still keep getting Likes on it though. -.^

Which are just as valuable as the forum where your post got dumped.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#375 - 2011-11-07 22:20:57 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Edit: I still keep getting Likes on it though. -.^

Which are just as valuable as the forum where your post got dumped.


*Shrugs* Just means that people are coming and reading it.

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#376 - 2011-11-07 22:49:12 UTC
Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:
The reason the big powerblocs get their delegates in the CSM is because they are all organized behind their candidate(s). If other groups want delegates to represent them, then they just need to get the word out, get people to sign in the voting mechanism, whatever. It won't be as easy for Joe W-space to be elected as it would be for The Mittani, but it's certainly possible.

In short, all the problems you describe in the CSM can be alleviated with effort in (I hate this phrase) 'getting the vote out'.

Not to mention that much of the empire populace are null alts.

Marketing / Trade
Logistics
L4 mission runners (anom nerf)
RnD alts
Mining alts

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement