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CSM - Do you think? (... continued)

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#141 - 2011-09-14 17:11:31 UTC

.... right .... so ignoring the guy with the analingis fetish ...

Tallian Saotome wrote:
Right now we need to show CCP a united front as players, I think we can ALL support the current push which is nothing more that 'Get some developers working on EVE, fix it, and stop letting it stagnate'

Lets get behind them for now, and once EvE is getting the developer attention she deserves, we can go back to fighting over how that attention should be spent.


I think that your time for this has come and passed. If they didn't get it during the Jita riots then they won't now.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#142 - 2011-09-14 19:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Comrade Commizzar
Oh I don't know , I find his postings rather amusing. His humor is a bit crude I agree, but I think his point is well taken.

Why does anyone play Eve? Certainly not to become a "lick-spittal", "step and fetch it", or "arse kisser" (like Ira keeps hinting).

I think his complaint is that, while the primary theme of Eve is the sovereignty wars in zero space, there is no meaningful way for new pilots to participate in it. It takes the better part of a year for a new pilot to learn the ropes and be vetted and judged worthy of membership in a zero alliance corp, and even then the only position they can play is what Ira termed "ass licking" cannon fodder.

I have to admit that his rather crude description of the situation is essentially accurate. The significant positions beyond "cannon fodder" are for the most part held by a handful of pilots who have acquired their positions through a combination of RMT, botting, and either the fact that they were playing Eve in the early days or were head of some 5000 member online club outside of the Eve game. The metagaming aspect of Eve is actually greater than the game itself and this is made worse by CCP's unwillingness or inability to design around it. This is not good for Eve and is detrimental to attracting new subscribers. The "Moons=Plex=Cap Fleet=Sovereignty=Moons" Syndrome excludes new blood from participating. Once the new subscriber figures this out, he either quits or limits his game play to WH, trading, or industrial activities mostly in highsec.

At this point the brainwashed of the "Dear Leaders" in zero storm in to protest that this is a lie and they sing unending songs to the glory of the rivers of benefits they receive from their masters. All to no avail for the thinking and self respecting of Eve because it is obvious to anyone what their true motive is from a cursory review of the forum. The Zero Space mafia requires grist for the mill...


Que the counter propaganda......
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#143 - 2011-09-14 19:14:08 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Oh I don't know , I find his postings rather amusing. His humor is a bit crude I agree, but I think his point is well taken.

Why does anyone play Eve? Certainly not to become a "lick-spittal", "step and fetch it", or "arse kisser" (like Ira keeps hinting).

I think his complaint is that, while the primary theme of Eve is the sovereignty wars in zero space, there is no meaningful way for new pilots to participate in it. It takes the better part of a year for a new pilot to learn the ropes and be vetted and judged worthy of membership in a zero alliance corp, and even then the only position they can play is what Ira termed "ass licking" cannon fodder.

I have to admit that his rather crude description of the situation is essentially accurate. The significant positions beyond "cannon fodder" are for the most part held by a handful of pilots who have acquired their positions through a combination of RMT, botting, and either the fact that they were playing Eve in the early days or were head of some 5000 member online club outside of the Eve game. The metagaming aspect of Eve is actually greater than the game itself and this is made worse by CCP's unwillingness or inability to design around it. This is not good for Eve and is detrimental to attracting new subscribers. The "Moons=Plex=Cap Fleet=Sovereignty=Moons" Syndrome excludes new blood from participating. Once the new subscriber figures this out, he either quits or limits his game play to WH, trading, or industrial activities mostly in highsec.

At this point the brainwashed of the "Dear Leaders" in zero storm in to protest that this is a lie and they sing unending songs to the glory of the rivers of benefits they receive from their masters. All to no avail for the thinking and self respecting of Eve because it is obvious to anyone what their true motive is from a cursory review of the forum. The Zero Space mafia requires grist for the mill...


Que the counter propaganda......


That GSF were founded on taking those new guys and making them relevant in 0.0?

Honestly, accusing the leader of Goons of not understanding the value of new and casual players in 0.0 is like... similes fail me.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Jenshae Chiroptera
#144 - 2011-09-14 19:34:13 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
The metagaming aspect of Eve is actually greater than the game itself and this is made worse by CCP's unwillingness or inability to design around it. This is not good for Eve and is detrimental to attracting new subscribers. The "Moons=Plex=Cap Fleet=Sovereignty=Moons" Syndrome excludes new blood from participating. Once the new subscriber figures this out, he either quits or limits his game play to WH, trading, or industrial activities mostly in highsec.
.


Adding this to my second post (first is too full of old thread quotes)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
#145 - 2011-09-14 19:51:31 UTC
Thread cleaned. Please try to post in a constructive matter.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#146 - 2011-09-14 19:55:46 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
Thread cleaned. Please try to post in a constructive matter.


Thank you.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#147 - 2011-09-14 20:48:23 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
Thread cleaned. Please try to post in a constructive matter.



Honestly... what did you do? Out of about six or eight troll posts Ive seen, one got gone

I was curious an I looked down the whole thread lol

but I gotta give him props, first time Ive seen a Goon post GET snipped. You got co-honeys man

however you spell it

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#148 - 2011-09-14 21:15:06 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Oh I don't know , I find his postings rather amusing. His humor is a bit crude I agree, but I think his point is well taken.

Why does anyone play Eve? Certainly not to become a "lick-spittal", "step and fetch it", or "arse kisser" (like Ira keeps hinting).

I think his complaint is that, while the primary theme of Eve is the sovereignty wars in zero space, there is no meaningful way for new pilots to participate in it. It takes the better part of a year for a new pilot to learn the ropes and be vetted and judged worthy of membership in a zero alliance corp, and even then the only position they can play is what Ira termed "ass licking" cannon fodder.

I have to admit that his rather crude description of the situation is essentially accurate. The significant positions beyond "cannon fodder" are for the most part held by a handful of pilots who have acquired their positions through a combination of RMT, botting, and either the fact that they were playing Eve in the early days or were head of some 5000 member online club outside of the Eve game. The metagaming aspect of Eve is actually greater than the game itself and this is made worse by CCP's unwillingness or inability to design around it. This is not good for Eve and is detrimental to attracting new subscribers. The "Moons=Plex=Cap Fleet=Sovereignty=Moons" Syndrome excludes new blood from participating. Once the new subscriber figures this out, he either quits or limits his game play to WH, trading, or industrial activities mostly in highsec.

At this point the brainwashed of the "Dear Leaders" in zero storm in to protest that this is a lie and they sing unending songs to the glory of the rivers of benefits they receive from their masters. All to no avail for the thinking and self respecting of Eve because it is obvious to anyone what their true motive is from a cursory review of the forum. The Zero Space mafia requires grist for the mill...


Que the counter propaganda......


That GSF were founded on taking those new guys and making them relevant in 0.0?

Honestly, accusing the leader of Goons of not understanding the value of new and casual players in 0.0 is like... similes fail me.

********

If you think the Mittani's main concern is the "average player" of Eve... You are delusional. There is only room for one "Queen" in the Hive.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#149 - 2011-09-14 21:16:06 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
Thread cleaned. Please try to post in a constructive matter.


Thank you.

What are you thanking him for? It's still a bad thread.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#150 - 2011-09-14 23:23:40 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
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What are you thanking him for? It's still a bad thread.

Considering the source of your comment and the topic ... I am going to disregard it. Big smile
Comrade Commizzar wrote:


If you think the Mittani's main concern is the "average player" of Eve... You are delusional. There is only room for one "Queen" in the Hive.


Haahahhaaahhhaaaa Wicked! Twisted

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#151 - 2011-09-15 00:03:43 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Considering the source of your comment and the topic ... I am going to disregard it. Big smile

Ah so you're just here to rant and not actually discuss anything. That might be why nobody is taking you seriously.

But keep tilting at windmills...and never stop posting.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#152 - 2011-09-15 00:09:43 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:

funny thing? My main has had this experience, "he now has isk to buy anything he needs, good friends to hang out with, skill and knowledge to fly whatever he wants, and the knowledge that he is important to a large community." all in highsec

why cant you guys realize to let ppl play the way THEY want to. Like the "sandbox" ppl scream that this game is when its germane to their points in the argument theyre making.


One day, we will have the stats and it will turn out that null sec population is just 10% of game.


I wasnt even saying that, I was saying "let ME play the game MY WAY"
Plus, theres no "end game" in a sandbox

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Jenshae Chiroptera
#153 - 2011-09-15 00:24:38 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:

Ah so you're just here to rant and not actually discuss anything. That might be why nobody is taking you seriously.

But keep tilting at windmills...and never stop posting.


How is "bad thread" part of a discussion?

Kengutsi Akira wrote:


I wasnt even saying that, I was saying "let ME play the game MY WAY"
Plus, theres no "end game" in a sandbox

Yes. Your first bit is part of the reason for this thread. CSM is mostly null sec corp people.

.... end game? ...

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Fawcks
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2011-09-15 01:00:03 UTC
From now on please summarize your long ass ******* posts so I don't lose interest and move on to the next thread without even finishing this one. I could be missing some great stuff in these long posts but I'll never know it because they convey only soul-crushing boredom to my eyes.

TL;DR, short posts.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#155 - 2011-09-15 01:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Fawcks wrote:

TL;DR, short posts.


Goons in:

  • Game
  • CSM
  • CCP staff


= conflict of interest.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Fawcks
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2011-09-15 11:59:53 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Fawcks wrote:

TL;DR, short posts.


Goons in:

  • Game
  • CSM
  • CCP staff


= conflict of interest.

Thanks, sweetmeat.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#157 - 2011-09-15 15:21:52 UTC
Fawcks wrote:
[quote=Jenshae Chiroptera]
Thanks, sweetmeat.


You are welcome.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#158 - 2011-09-15 17:24:05 UTC
Paranoid about goons? You shouldn't play League of Legends, either. One of my former agents (Randuin) is staff at Riot.


I'll save Malcanis the effort of correcting the badposter who has no idea about the focus of Goonswarm on the newbie situation. We have always been about newbies in 0.0 and wrecking the old guard; one of the primary reasons why GSF and myself personally oppose the Dominion sov system and Supercapitals is that these erect tremendous barriers to entry to getting into nullsec for smaller alliances.

Back in the day, all you needed was a few towers, a pile of rifters and an axe to grind. Today, you can't even grind your way through Dominion structures without wanting to kill yourself from sheer boredom unless you have a supercap or three to chew through the bloody things. And how is a new alliance going to get supercaps without getting rich first? Before the tech rebalance, valuable moons were everywhere in the galaxy. Nowadays, if you want the income to crap out supercaps, you need tech, and you have to fight and seize that tech from the folks who have 100+ supercap fleets - a tall order for a sub-1000 pilot alliance.

In sum, nullsec as it stands currently is laughably broken, and any sensible commentator or nullsec resident knows it - which is exactly why nullsec, in a rage, seized the CSM.

~hi~

Jenshae Chiroptera
#159 - 2011-09-16 01:33:29 UTC
The Mittani wrote:

In sum, nullsec as it stands currently is laughably broken, and any sensible commentator or nullsec resident knows it - which is exactly why nullsec, in a rage, seized the CSM.


I agree with your entire post.

Besides, "Paranoid" You don't actually say anything that is directed to the topic of this thread. I can understand Goons wanting to have one CSM so as to make their mark all over the game but is it not a conflict of interest to have the very voice of CSM being a Goons player?

I also think that the CSM needs representation of other aspects of the game to prevent it being blinkered down as single alley, once you turn the behemoth that is CCP.

I also agree with your article about how we need to direct our ire at solely the management level of CCP and not the entire company.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#160 - 2011-09-16 10:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
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CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.