These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Jita Park Speakers Corner

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

CSM - Do you think? (... continued)

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#301 - 2011-10-25 18:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Elise DarkStar wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Scientific methods, employed in a way that is intelligent and comprehensive always yield better results then the flawed Human element. CCP needs to take the bull by the horns and gather real game data and real player opinions


ROFL

I guess I missed that world-changing revolution, though I haven't read the news since Sunday...


You have no idea how much of a pet you are Blink
You are just paying attention to the wrong science.



The Pure Religion ... and I bet you won't watch the whole thing, because you are a sheep.

[center]The EVE Gateway Blog[/center] [center]One Of EVE Online's Ultimate Resources[/center]
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#302 - 2011-10-25 18:15:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rer Eirikr
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
No again, and here is why.

Demographics are gathered everywhere and they work. Scientific methods, employed in a way that is intelligent and comprehensive always yield better results then the flawed Human element. CCP needs to take the bull by the horns and gather real game data and real player opinions and then act upon them, all on their own. A CSM is a shortcut to this goal, and it has not been working since it's inception. Even if the CSM says "CCP ignores us" which they do often enough... it is still not working.

You are also forgetting that Himlar himself complained about the CSM's null sec bias. You are acting like it is coming from me and me alone.


Let's get real, Himlar is complaining because this CSM knocked CCP's teeth in over Incarna. They got the general gaming press caught up in a firestorm of Riots and made CCP look bad, forcing a change for the better. This whole "Oh woe is me they're pushing too much work into NullSec" is laughable at best.

As for CCP's gathering player data, given how hard it is for them to just iterate on the few issues brought up by the CSM, and the fact that they just laid off a large chunk of their Community team, again, I just don't see it realistically working.

On paper it sounds good, but that doesn't equate to execution.

And seriously could you cut it with the insults? Its not helping the argument.
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#303 - 2011-10-25 18:15:46 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Some people like to just run their damn missions.


Yes, and the smart ones realise that their missions do not exist in a bubble. The ammo they are firing is produced by someone. The faction or officer mods they equip are ratted by someone. The loot they sell is bought by someone. And the price of the LP rewards they cash out is kept high by the fact that sometimes ships (even in highsec) explode.

The ones who don't get it well... I don't know about you but I'd rather not have them dictating the future of the game.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#304 - 2011-10-25 18:19:41 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You are also forgetting that Himlar himself complained about the CSM's null sec bias

No he didn't. The actual quote was about him hearing from some players that they were concerned about the CSM having a null sec bias. He didn't say he agreed with them.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#305 - 2011-10-25 18:21:34 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You have no idea how much of a pet you are Blink
You are just paying attention to the wrong science.


So you make an absolutely false and outrageous claim about the scientific gathering, amalgamation, and actioning of collective human opinion, and then defend that claim with a youtube link?

Well that's the end of your little farcical crusade.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#306 - 2011-10-25 18:37:58 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You have no idea how much of a pet you are Blink
You are just paying attention to the wrong science.

The Pure Religion ... and I bet you won't watch the whole thing, because you are a sheep.

So to refute his points, you point to a 3 hour 54 minute long video based on siegmund freud's theories? The guy that saw everything as something sexual?

It's almost like we're not talking about some players representing the players in a game.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#307 - 2011-10-25 18:44:50 UTC
I mean, I love to hear all about how cigarettes is like a penis, and how it'll make women smoke so they, too, can have their own penises, but I'm not sure how this relates to the CSM and how hisec feels nullsec is waging a class war against them.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2011-10-25 18:52:03 UTC
Oh god. And now they're talking about how cars are a symbol of male sexuality.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#309 - 2011-10-25 19:43:11 UTC
And now they're talking about how they're trying to stop some guy from becoming a homosexual.

My god, this is useful stuff!

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#310 - 2011-10-25 20:20:01 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
And now they're talking about how they're trying to stop some guy from becoming a homosexual.

My god, this is useful stuff!



You are somehow harping an all the useless stuff and missing the part about controls on a free market democracy do to general human irrationality.. You people have some kind of brain damage.

[center]The EVE Gateway Blog[/center] [center]One Of EVE Online's Ultimate Resources[/center]
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#311 - 2011-10-25 20:21:45 UTC
Elise DarkStar wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You have no idea how much of a pet you are Blink
You are just paying attention to the wrong science.


So you make an absolutely false and outrageous claim about the scientific gathering, amalgamation, and actioning of collective human opinion, and then defend that claim with a youtube link?

Well that's the end of your little farcical crusade.


Hey look someone is giving his opinion without statistics or demographics to support said opinion.
Winning!


Underlined text for good measure to. Big smile

[center]The EVE Gateway Blog[/center] [center]One Of EVE Online's Ultimate Resources[/center]
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#312 - 2011-10-25 20:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You are also forgetting that Himlar himself complained about the CSM's null sec bias

No he didn't. The actual quote was about him hearing from some players that they were concerned about the CSM having a null sec bias. He didn't say he agreed with them.



You are right.
He said "we will keep them until the end of the year" suggesting.... take a guess Lol


So he put some stock in the opinion of the people who were saying so, or it would not have been worth mentioning. I am on a roll here \0/ 0// \\0 WEEEEE!!!

[center]The EVE Gateway Blog[/center] [center]One Of EVE Online's Ultimate Resources[/center]
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#313 - 2011-10-25 20:23:48 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You are somehow harping an all the useless stuff and missing the part about controls on a free market democracy do to general human irrationality.. You people have some kind of brain damage.

So, pray tell, how does all this tie in to EVE then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#314 - 2011-10-25 20:25:51 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Hey look someone is giving his opinion without statistics or demographics to support said opinion.


How is this in any way a valid response to your inability to defend your outrageous claims?

You've spilled substantial ink here, but you can't even put forward the simplest attempt at defending the foundational claim upon which all your nattering rests?

Must be pretty embarrassing to go through all this trouble only to have it all overthrown by one simple question.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#315 - 2011-10-25 20:26:26 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You are somehow harping an all the useless stuff and missing the part about controls on a free market democracy do to general human irrationality.. You people have some kind of brain damage.

So, pray tell, how does all this tie in to EVE then?




It does not at all, it is only in reference to Elise DarkStar's comment in post 300.
Everyone else assumed it was related to this discussion.


& he did not watch the whole thing, he just underlined text instead.
Kudos to you for watching some Blink

[center]The EVE Gateway Blog[/center] [center]One Of EVE Online's Ultimate Resources[/center]
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#316 - 2011-10-25 20:26:29 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You are also forgetting that Himlar himself complained about the CSM's null sec bias

No he didn't. The actual quote was about him hearing from some players that they were concerned about the CSM having a null sec bias. He didn't say he agreed with them.



You are right.
He said "we will keep them until the end of the year" suggesting.... take a guess Lol


So he put some stock in the opinion of the people who were saying so, or it would not have been worth mentioning. I am on a roll here \0/ 0// \\0 WEEEEE!!!

You keep believing that. When reality hits you it will be even more fun for me.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#317 - 2011-10-25 20:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Elise DarkStar wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Hey look someone is giving his opinion without statistics or demographics to support said opinion.


Must be pretty embarrassing to go through all this trouble only to have it all overthrown by one simple question.


Not really, I like putting self-proclaiming debate team champions such as yourself into a heated fluster.


Why don't you get back to me when YOU can prove how statistical gathering and demographics do not perform their intended role. See I even underlined that word for you Blink



@Skunk Gracklaw

I like the part where you didn't not infer anything from "keep until the end of the year" after they fired 20% of their real-life labor force.

[center]The EVE Gateway Blog[/center] [center]One Of EVE Online's Ultimate Resources[/center]
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#318 - 2011-10-25 20:38:56 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Not really I like putting self-proclaiming debate team champions such as yourself into a heated fluster.


Why don't you get back to me when YOU can prove how statistical gathering and demographics do not perform their intended role. See I even underlined that word for you [;)


I'm not upset in the slightest.

You've made the claims and you're making substantial suggestions about how people should act based on the validity of those claims. The burden is entirely on you to offer even an ounce of support for your claims.

I'm quite satisfied that anyone who can follow a line of conversation can now see that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, thereby making all your previous and following keyboard hammering completely worthless.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#319 - 2011-10-25 20:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Elise DarkStar wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Not really I like putting self-proclaiming debate team champions such as yourself into a heated fluster.


Why don't you get back to me when YOU can prove how statistical gathering and demographics do not perform their intended role. See I even underlined that word for you [;)


I'm not upset in the slightest.

You've made the claims and you're making substantial suggestions about how people should act based on the validity of those claims. The burden is entirely on you to offer even an ounce of support for your claims.

I'm quite satisfied that anyone who can follow a line of conversation can now see that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, thereby making all your previous and following keyboard hammering completely worthless.



Oh snap he used the good old "The burden is entirely on you to offer even an ounce of support for your claims."Big smile


O.k. buddy, you tell me what my claim is exactly and I will respond, because you are putting words in my mouth and inferring (either intentionally or unintentionally) meaning that is not there. Come get some!


...and don't get angry...

[center]The EVE Gateway Blog[/center] [center]One Of EVE Online's Ultimate Resources[/center]
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#320 - 2011-10-25 20:43:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rer Eirikr
A) When some of the major problems with EVE cannot be summed up in a simple survey questionnaire.

B) When you have no one available to sift through said data and tell CCP whats what (huh almost sounds like the CSM huh?)

C) When evidently 80% of the playerbase can't be arsed to fill it out despite claiming the world is out to get them.

If such a system was viable it would have been implemented already.

And most importantly, said system lacks a "No CCP don't do this" feature.