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Scammed, and not sure how.

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Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-13 22:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
Hey guys.

So, I've been running a rigged mission domi for some time now. After a good amount of missions and trading, I've got just enough so, if I sell my rigged domi at a little below real value with rigs, I'd be able to outfit a Navy Domi.

So, I go to Jita and offer a sale of my domi for 95mil, send out the message a few times. The rigs were 1x Sentry Drone Damage Aug, 1x Large Nanobot, 1x Large Aux Nano Pump

I get a trade offer, the window pops up. I throw my Domi in to see if that's what he's inquiring about, and I see 95mil in green show up, along with his accept checkmark. I accept as well, and it goes through.

But I never got the 95mil.

Character is Marhaba. He proceeds to say in Jita chat "Thanks for the free domi ;)."

Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?

What do I do from here?
Zleon Leigh
#2 - 2012-01-13 22:14:08 UTC
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#3 - 2012-01-13 22:16:06 UTC
Never use the trade window. It's almost always a scam.

Contracts every time.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#4 - 2012-01-13 22:17:57 UTC
never use the trade window
you got lag scammed

petition it
Seatox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-13 22:18:08 UTC
The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.

What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.

Use the contract system instead.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-01-13 22:18:20 UTC
never

ever

ever

use the trade window when you could use a contract. This is an old scheme, and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#7 - 2012-01-13 22:22:11 UTC
Definitely petition. Definitely do not use the trade window. A good red flag is when someone asks to use it. Always do a contract instead. If they balk or give excuses why they cannot use a contract, you can now be sure they are scamming.

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Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-01-13 22:22:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
Seatox wrote:
The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.

What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.

Use the contract system instead.


Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there. Not only was it there, but if it were modified within a short time frame within hitting accept, there would have been a notification (if I'm not mistaken, I've seen it before: ""Warning: your client has modified your order. Do you still want to accept?" Or something.).

Feligast wrote:
and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it.


Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-13 22:24:55 UTC
I agree, lesson learned, nothing you can really do, however, it stuff like this that is bush league - not the scam itself, but the damn interface and it causes players to leave.

CCP, fix your damn anitquated 1985 interface.

You didnt get scammed by a player, you got scammed by CCP.

Lag scammed? Only in EVE can something so stupid take place.

Fix that ****.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#10 - 2012-01-13 22:29:57 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Seatox wrote:
The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.

What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.

Use the contract system instead.


Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there.

Feligast wrote:
and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it.


Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code.


if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once
Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-13 22:31:12 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
Seatox wrote:
The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.

What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.

Use the contract system instead.


Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there.

Feligast wrote:
and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it.


Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code.


if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once


Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?

I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-01-13 22:33:09 UTC
Good luck with that Roll

And I'm so glad you found the money to form your own corp a few minutes ago. Not so broke, huh?
Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-13 22:34:21 UTC
Feligast wrote:
Good luck with that Roll

And I'm so glad you found the money to form your own corp a few minutes ago. Not so broke, huh?


... it costs a measly 1.5mil to make a corp, and I made it hours ago. The scam happened about 20 minutes ago.

Can you do basic math? Or do I have to spell out why your post is irrelevant on both accounts?
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-01-13 22:35:07 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
Seatox wrote:
The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.

What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.

Use the contract system instead.


Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there.

Feligast wrote:
and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it.


Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code.


if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once


Yea but the point still stands, CCP needs to fix dumb **** like this. You may not have the resources of Blizzard but damn, you cant make a properly working trade window? Really? C'mon CCP...

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Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-01-13 22:39:43 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
Seatox wrote:
The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.

What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.

Use the contract system instead.


Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there.

Feligast wrote:
and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it.


Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code.


if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once


Yea but the point still stands, CCP needs to fix dumb **** like this. You may not have the resources of Blizzard but damn, you cant make a properly working trade window? Really? C'mon CCP...




A petition has been filed.

I'll keep the thread updated on how CCP deals with it, so we can hold them accountable.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#16 - 2012-01-13 22:42:52 UTC
Hm, I wondered how that worked. I had someone offer me a ship for well below cost, a trade window popped up along with the ship. I could not figure out how such a scam would work, but this being eve I closed the trade window.

Lag scam? So they zeroed the amount and hit accept at just the right time so the OP never saw it happen due to lag?

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Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-13 22:50:07 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Hm, I wondered how that worked. I had someone offer me a ship for well below cost, a trade window popped up along with the ship. I could not figure out how such a scam would work, but this being eve I closed the trade window.

Lag scam? So they zeroed the amount and hit accept at just the right time so the OP never saw it happen due to lag?


Is there not supposed to be a notification window if the client modifies his order within like 3 seconds of pressing the accept button?

I could have sworn I've seen it before.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2012-01-13 22:53:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Are you sure you saw 95.000.000.00 and not 95.000.00?

Remember to ALWAYS count the number of digits and subtract by two (as those last two are "cents").

Yeah... dumb interface deatails thingy. But somehow... I have this nagging suspicion that CCP made it this way on purpose for this exact reason.

How did you Veterans start?
Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-01-13 22:55:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
ShahFluffers wrote:
Are you sure you saw 95.000.000.00 and not 95.000.00?

Remember to ALWAYS count the digits and subtract by two (as those last two are "cents").

Yeah... dumb interface deatails thingy. But somehow... I have this nagging suspicion that CCP made it this way on purpose for this exact reason.


Yes, considering there was no exchange of money whatsoever according to my transactions journal.

Also, hooray for my first forum like recieved. \o/
Zleon Leigh
#20 - 2012-01-13 23:01:16 UTC
Another example of how scammers get off without consequences... he'll never leave the station, never have sec status where you could even put a bounty on him (even though that is a totally f'd up mechanic as well)

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