Player Features and Ideas Discussion

First off I can watch a character and what is going on around them WITHOUT having to interact with that client. However that is not relevant because this comment clearly shows that you have missed the point.
Why do I have to increase my efforts simply because you want to be safer in an area of space that is not supposed to be safe to start with.
Why do I have to increase my efforts when you cannot or will not put forth the effort to simply move to another system to get away from me?


How about that trip to relieve oneself, or do you propose the we urinate or defecate into a bottle or pan we keep at our computers simply so we can be there to deal with your auto log off idea?
And what about that phone call, you know that one from your mom, sister whatever that keeps you away from the computer listening to all the latest family gossip or other useless crap just long enough to get booted by the log off timer?
And how about that annoying person that knocks on your door?
No I do not care that twe have to deal with these things in those other games, we know that when we start playing them.
EvE on the other hand has never had an auto log off "feature" so this would represent a major change.

I guess the most important question here is simply this.
Interact to cancel the auto log off or move to another system. Both require about the same amount of effort, as one that is cloaky camping your system and I am active at the keyboard why do I have to deal with this annoying log off timer crap when you can simply move to another system?


Here we go with the tired old crap of most games do xxxxx, well EvE is not like "most" games and you better get used to that fact . CCP does not do things like "most " games and no auto log off is one of those things they do differently.
CCP does many things that do not make sense, however considering how disruptive delays, lag and TiDi can be to those who play the game I can assure you that auto log off would be a thing in this game IF CCP was convinced that it would actually help eliminate those issues, since we have never had and currently do not have auto log off one can only surmise that CCP does not consider AFK players to be enough of a drain on system resources to do anything about it.

"Why do I have to increase my efforts simply because you want to be safer in an area of space that is not supposed to be safe to start with."

I don't really care about the safety... I prefer to actually play a MMO with other actual PEOPLE rather than an empty chair. I'm fine with you dropping on me. I enjoy the risk of EVE. I just want the other characters to be PRESENT. I don't think that's a big ask.

"Why do I have to increase my efforts when you cannot or will not put forth the effort to simply move to another system to get away from me?"

What effort? I just want you to be present. Heck, ideally activity in ANY eve window open would satisfy the activity for all. I don't care what you do... I just want to play a game with other players. Not your empty chair. I'm good with both evading droppers and baiting them... but it's freaking annoying to try to do that when there isn't an actual person on the other side.

"How about that trip to relieve oneself, or do you propose the we urinate or defecate into a bottle or pan we keep at our computers simply so we can be there to deal with your auto log off idea?"

First of all... if you take 20 minutes to do your business in the bathroom... you've got other issues. Second... who cares if you get logged off? You just log back in when you come back and cloak up. You weren't going to be able to do anything until you come back from your dump anyway.


"And what about that phone call, you know that one from your mom, sister whatever that keeps you away from the computer listening to all the latest family gossip or other useless crap just long enough to get booted by the log off timer?"

You log back in when you're done. Again... what's the big deal?

"EvE on the other hand has never had an auto log off "feature" so this would represent a major change."

Actually... it current has an automatic logoff. It's called "amount of time until downtime". Our maximum inactive time is 23 hours and change. What I'm suggesting is lowering that maximum time.

"I guess the most important question here is simply this.
Interact to cancel the auto log off or move to another system. Both require about the same amount of effort, as one that is cloaky camping your system and I am active at the keyboard why do I have to deal with this annoying log off timer crap when you can simply move to another system?"

I'd say the most important question is if a MMO should ensure that the other logged in players are actually people you can interact with in the game... or if it's okay with having one side attempt to interact with an empty chair.... which is not exactly interesting game play.

"Here we go with the tired old crap of most games do xxxxx, well EvE is not like "most" games and you better get used to that fact . CCP does not do things like "most " games and no auto log off is one of those things they do differently. "

So... it's a good idea because CCP has always done it that way? That's the argument?

Look... multiplayer games exist in order to allow players to engage in playing with other players. I WANT you to drop on me when I'm ratting. I want you to try to catch me in a trap. I enjoy the feeling I get from escaping or baiting you. And the fact I might not escape adds excitement to my game play. But for that to happen... you have to be PRESENT.

Again... I want to ensure the chair is full. I don't know if it's empty or not. But I want to make sure that if I take the time to fit out a bait porpoise to try to lure a cloaked intruder into tackling/dropping on me... I want to have some kind of assurance that there is potential for me to actually get dropped on.

Making sure someone is actually sitting in the chair does that.

I don't want to get rid of AFK cloakers. I want to get rid of all AFK players so I know that the players I see in game are actually present.

As for an accidental logoff... again.. .who cares? They can log back in as soon as they get back to the screen to look at it. You can have a count down that displays (similar to the "safe logoff" option) that occurs if you reach the end of the timer so if they have the screen up for looking at but not interacting they can easily cancel it.

Again... I want to play MMO's with other people... not empty chairs. I don't need an internet connection to play a game with empty chairs.

And as to why I'm posting here... you're asking for responses here. If you don't want a response... don't make a post asking me questions.

So my character that does nothing but exploration in deep nullsec/WHs and hasn't docked in three months can't log in and just chat with corpmates without being disconnected every 20 minutes?

No, if the chair is not empty, the person wouldn't be logged off. Your basic idea is this.

You have multiple sessions up. You see the flashing "You are afk and will be logged off in two minutes due to inactivity" message. You hear an audible clue that indicates one of your sessions is about to be logged off. You're still going to do nothing let the session be logged off... and whine about it?

If that's the case... the player's brain being empty is just as much a problem as the chair being empty. They were being told that a session was about to be logged and chose not to do anything. Either that or they didn't notice... which is effectively the SAME as the chair being empty. That session had no human mind doing anything with it or even watching it. It's an empty chair either way.

Why on earth are you so set on being able to stay logged in on an account you are not playing, are not looking and are not even listening for audible alerts from? That session is an empty chair. Log it to use it when you want to... you know... USE IT.

There's no adverse impact. At all. You can still log into an account when you need to use it. And if you're not using it... there's no need to keep it logged in. Nothing is preventing you from using as many accounts as you like... as long as you USE THEM. Your definition of being adversely impacted is incredibly petty.

And if you want to whine about the sticky thread... feel free to reply to me there. I'm responding to your comments. My response is going to go where the comments are made. If you me to quit responding to you here... don't post here. Or quit moaning about the sticky thread if you aren't willing to post your responses there.

Must be nice to live such a simple life in EvE that running afoul of an auto log off timer will never be an issue, unfortunately that is not the so for all of us.

One last go at getting you to understand.
On another character I am a logi pilot for a low sec corp besides tracking my own fleet and their need for reps I have other duties that include but are not limited too

Watching for opposing fleet members that warp out, the general direction they warped too and then passing that information and the character name to our scouts so they can start the search for them.

Keeping track of the opposing fleets ships that have been killed by type and by character that was flying them and relying that info to the FC when they ask for it.

Watching the immediate battle area for ships that may have slipped past the scouts usually but not always these are ships that were cloaked when they came in.

And the list goes on.
All of this adds up to the simple reality that it may be 20 - 30 minutes or more between chances to interact with that emergency cyno character sitting cloaked up somewhere. And yet even though I am sitting in my chair and extremely active in game, myself and my corp mates have to risk loss of ships because of your idiotic auto log off timer? Just go away with this idea it has no place here in EvE.

I have 3 accounts. I often run all three at the same time. I have 2 monitors, inevitably that means one of them will "underneath" one of the other two sessions.

So yes, you will log out non-empty chairs with this "solution".

And frankly, I find it just silly to log out people who are not ATK simply because it somehow causes you some sort of mental angst that somebody may not be sitting in their chair at that precise moment you want to interact with them. As I noted before, being logged in is not even necessary to have an impact on the game...why should be logged in and AFK be a big deal?

I also have to ask what is gained here? Nothing really.

Suppose I am logged in and AFK, can you interact with me or I with you? No.

Suppose I am auto logged off, can you interact with me or I with you? No.

At best you can say that, there is a higher proportion of players logged in who are not AFK. But you can interact with them already. So again...nothing is gained unless you are trying to interact with random players this will likely have little to any impact on how people play the game.

It's not activity.

Activity means taking an action. So to be active in a game means to take action in the game. This isn't some odd personal definition... it's what the word means. If you take no action in the client... you are not active in the game... and thus are not showing activity. Yes... I might be active in real life... but I'm not in the game.... because I've taken NO ACTIONS IN THE GAME. Brushing my teeth is an activity... but not in the game.

Are you really not able to understand this? Or are you just trying to parse words to avoid the actual topic?

As for the rest of your rather comical defense of "playing a game without actually playing"... I just can't comprehend that concept. I can't see how a logged in account that you never click on and can't be bothered to click on if a message pops up about being logged off for lack of activity is anything other than an "empty chair". It behaves the exact same way an empty chair would if it were running the eve client.

Again... for me a multiple player game must have an actual player involved... not an empty chair (or a player who is sitting in the chair but refuses to hit their keyboard or move the mouse or in any way interact with the client).

Time to fix this nonsense already ....

just check how much the threat has been viewed should be a clear sign it's a problem..
No matter what arguments you make having influence in a MMO while being AFK should never be possible.

In activity timer for X amount of time before save log off............ problem fixed.

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