EVE General Discussion

EVE is not and should not ever be a game with a shallow end. It's a game for adults who should be expected to figure things out. /That idealistic egalitarian "make something everyone will enjoy" thing is as unrealistic in EVE as it is IRL, and CCP's pursuit of that since 2012 is the real shame of all of this.

Must every game be mushy hand holding "we don't think you are grown enough to enjoy a strict game" bull crap?

Not really I pick up the occasional courier contract to citadels, I'm picky as to how much, for whom and to where though.

The 7P's are relevant here. Proper Planning and Practice Prevents **** Poor Performance

No matter how idiot proof you make something, there's always a bigger idiot just around the corner that will manage to break it.

Whines and complaints look bad from the outside. They have a real effect on people's perception of the game even if they've never played it. If these 'stupid people' had a place they could be stupid, they'd be able to play eve and contribute to CCP. Eve is so much more to me than just a pvp game, and more people playing has positive effects for everyone, except maybe to some people's profits.

Bringing it back to this thread, on balance does the decision to allow citadel owners the ability to revoke docking rights from people they have a contract with do more good than harm to player numbers. Keeping it maintains the current situation, of endless people finding out the hard way not to accept contracts to citadels. Removing it annoys people running these scams, but doubtful anyone else. Why not flip the power balance and make it so having a courier contract from a member of the citadel owning corp puts you on a temporary access list until the contract is done. That way once you accept a contract you can for sure get into the delivery point, assuming you don't die en route. Citadel owners would need to be careful putting up public contracts if they care about who gets into their citadel.

Who cares. These are players who do not grasp the fundamental nature of the game. When they show up and whine here on the forums players can tell them the fundamental nature of the game--i.e. you are responsible for the amount of risk you take on. Your actions determine the amount of risk you take on. Take imprudent or foolish actions you'll take on more risk. If this happens do not whine or complain, learn from it and become a better player.



Most players do not visit the forums. Most players treat the game like any other MMO. Only the particularly butthurt show up and start threads like this. And note, the OP has gone completely AWOL. Either they quit...or realized how the game is and are now a bit embarrassed by making such a bad post. I hope it is the latter and that they even post and say they were wrong. I'd respect that, quite a bit actually.



Trying to micro manage log in numbers and subscriptions by monitoring in game player behavior is a sure fire way to **** this game up more than you know. It will even bite you on your ass more than you know. CCP did fine and the numbers were good when nobody gave a **** about numbers. That is the key. Here is your noobship now **** off.

Let me be clear, IMO, EVE is known to be a harsh game with a steep learning curve. Making it more friendly and with a less steep learning curve does not seem to be working. In fact, it appears to be exactly the wrong recipe.

As for your suggestion I'm sure many would love to gain access to hostile citadels, especially in LS and NS. So no. And again no if you want to carve out special exceptions. We should follow the generality principle: when CCP makes a mechanic/rule it should apply equally to all. There should be no special exceptions for any sub group of players. Yes this is a variant of Malcanis' Law. You may not like it, but Malcanis' Law is pretty powerful and sweeping. When you create special dispensations for various sub-groups people will spend more time lobbying for such benefits vs. actually playing the game. Just don't ******* do it. It is bad policy. Both IRL and in game.

Treat everyone the same FFS.

Why is that such a bad thing?

Tldr

It is a thread where the op is asking for a drop box that would allow direct deliveries to citadels. Perhaps there should be a module that can be installed or not on a citadel and can be turned off and on with a cool down timer between actions. It would still allow for the beloved courier scams to happen but would require a bit of more effort and timing from the scammer and would introduce the ability to actively counter a scam.

Did you just call everyone a troll, then give exactly the same advice we all gave? Don't take the risk unless you can ensure access?

Speaking as one of these horrible vets you mention, i and many others actually spend a substantial amount of time helping new players get to grips with EvE and it's many complex mechanics. Your comments are sweeping and baseless. I love seeing new players enter EvE, but i'm also aware it's not for everyone due to it's harsh nature. Some of us try to protect this harsh nature from the hand-holding crew, but it's a rediculous assertion to suggest older players "don't want" new players in EvE. We want new players more than most, because we love EvE enough to stick around for years.

I've explained how to easily turn the tables on the scammer three times so far in this thread, and all you can do is shout and scream that we're all secretly against new players. Pathetic.



What like the one i've explained three times, just look back it's really easy..

This has been the case with null outposts for over a decade, why should the game change to protect people unwilling to take a loss when they take a risk?

There are lists of trustworthy and not trustworthy groups/players and stations available. You can always produce a list of your own and take those risks too. We have been dealing with this sort of scam for over a decade, no need to change anything.

Yeah I know, I don't haul so don't really care.

What bothers me is the lack of consequence for some actions and introduction of fail/risk proof mechanics; like magical structure invulnerability except for a short period when the loot fairy pops up on grid with a rabbit foot in her hand and starts shaking it, puppy leashes that also make ships magically invulnerable etc etc etc.

As far as I'm concerned if there is an amount of risk then it should reflect/affect on everyone. Otherwise it is just an overlooked exploit sustained by convenient arguments.