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Breaking News: Citadel/Plex Contracting.

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Khara Hirl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2017-05-22 17:05:07 UTC
The ability for someone to lock you out of a plex/citadel after accepting a courier contract, in my opinion is absolutely abuse of a game mechanic.

To me this is straight up mechanical abuse and the fact that CCP lets this type of activity go on, is absolutely disparaging to new players and disgusting to old players. This is NOT how to run a game, just because scamming is allowed doesnt mean you allow/design game mechanics to specifically allow scamming.

I have a solution and it's very very simple, allow couriers to right click their package with in 2500m of the citadel/plex and select deliver.

Why would CCP continue to allow this type of abuse, aren't you wanting new players to come into your game and stay? This isn't part of the whole "eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt" Take this lesson to heart because you nearly killed your game by not listening to the silent majority but listening to the vocal minority when it comes to crap like this.


FIX DELIVERING TO PLEX/CITADELS IMMEDIATELY!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2017-05-22 17:22:51 UTC
If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts.

It's self correcting.

No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped.

Mr Epeen Cool
Khara Hirl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2017-05-22 17:49:06 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts.

It's self correcting.

No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped.

Mr Epeen Cool



No no, see what you're not getting isn't that I can't pay attention to contracts, my point is that a mechanic is in place that lets people REJECT your entry even after you have a courier contract going to that citadel, this can be fixed by allowing deliveries outside the citadel.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#4 - 2017-05-22 17:56:38 UTC
Khara Hirl wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts.

It's self correcting.

No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped.

Mr Epeen Cool



No no, see what you're not getting isn't that I can't pay attention to contracts, my point is that a mechanic is in place that lets people REJECT your entry even after you have a courier contract going to that citadel, this can be fixed by allowing deliveries outside the citadel.
Okay. Got it.

Same solution, though. Don't accept contracts to citadels.

Mr Epeen Cool
Khara Hirl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2017-05-22 17:58:30 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Khara Hirl wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts.

It's self correcting.

No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped.

Mr Epeen Cool



No no, see what you're not getting isn't that I can't pay attention to contracts, my point is that a mechanic is in place that lets people REJECT your entry even after you have a courier contract going to that citadel, this can be fixed by allowing deliveries outside the citadel.
Okay. Got it.

Same solution, though. Don't accept contracts to citadels.

Mr Epeen Cool



While you're correct and I don't take contracts to citadels, I think there needs to be some way to prevent this from happening at the very very least in high sec.

Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#6 - 2017-05-22 18:03:20 UTC
Khara Hirl wrote:
The ability for someone to lock you out of a plex/citadel after accepting a courier contract, in my opinion is absolutely abuse of a game mechanic.

To me this is straight up mechanical abuse and the fact that CCP lets this type of activity go on, is absolutely disparaging to new players and disgusting to old players. This is NOT how to run a game, just because scamming is allowed doesnt mean you allow/design game mechanics to specifically allow scamming.

I have a solution and it's very very simple, allow couriers to right click their package with in 2500m of the citadel/plex and select deliver.

Why would CCP continue to allow this type of abuse, aren't you wanting new players to come into your game and stay? This isn't part of the whole "eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt" Take this lesson to heart because you nearly killed your game by not listening to the silent majority but listening to the vocal minority when it comes to crap like this.


FIX DELIVERING TO PLEX/CITADELS IMMEDIATELY!



CCP please fix a problem i could fix for myself with a simple adjustment of personal policy (ie don't do couriers from Citadels/player owned structures period, then they can't lock you out).

EVE is a game, you are supposed to have to pay attention to what you are doing. When I didn't do this and ended up paying 100 million isk for a tech1 hauler I didn't run to the forums asking for help, I made myself count the damn zeros i failed to count that time, and haven't paid 100 mil for a t1 hauler since.

I think people should stop asking CCP to play EVE for them.
Khara Hirl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2017-05-22 18:08:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Khara Hirl wrote:
The ability for someone to lock you out of a plex/citadel after accepting a courier contract, in my opinion is absolutely abuse of a game mechanic.

To me this is straight up mechanical abuse and the fact that CCP lets this type of activity go on, is absolutely disparaging to new players and disgusting to old players. This is NOT how to run a game, just because scamming is allowed doesnt mean you allow/design game mechanics to specifically allow scamming.

I have a solution and it's very very simple, allow couriers to right click their package with in 2500m of the citadel/plex and select deliver.

Why would CCP continue to allow this type of abuse, aren't you wanting new players to come into your game and stay? This isn't part of the whole "eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt" Take this lesson to heart because you nearly killed your game by not listening to the silent majority but listening to the vocal minority when it comes to crap like this.


FIX DELIVERING TO PLEX/CITADELS IMMEDIATELY!



CCP please fix a problem i could fix for myself with a simple adjustment of personal policy (ie don't do couriers from Citadels/player owned structures period, then they can't lock you out).

EVE is a game, you are supposed to have to pay attention to what you are doing. When I didn't do this and ended up paying 100 million isk for a tech1 hauler I didn't run to the forums asking for help, I made myself count the damn zeros i failed to count that time, and haven't paid 100 mil for a t1 hauler since.

I think people should stop asking CCP to play EVE for them.



No no no, you don't get it, I already addressed these stupid comments, that this is just part of the game, at some point you need step back and stop being a kiss and realize this is a flawed mechanic, the only people defending this are people who are abusing it to make money.

I bet you anything they already intend to fix this issue, I just needed to have my voice be heard because it's such an irresponsible thing to allow, much like plex being destroyable (bought with IRL) is no longer destroyable, why? because they are bringing in tens of thousands of new players and they know crap like that is not acceptable in today's market.

Eve online is old and it may have legacy players hanging around, but odds are after this revival there are going to be far more new players then old and things will have to change to be less "hardcore" and well to be honest bullshit.
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#8 - 2017-05-22 18:17:45 UTC
Khara Hirl wrote:



No no no, you don't get it, I already addressed these stupid comments, that this is just part of the game, at some point you need step back and stop being a kiss and realize this is a flawed mechanic, the only people defending this are people who are abusing it to make money.


I make space-money killing rats. I do not scam at all.

But nor do I run to mommy CCP every time I screw up. The people who do this are people who cannot take responsibility for their mistake,s even in a video game.

People are trying to scam us all day every day in EVE, part of the game is not falling for it and/or (as in my case) learning from it after you fall for it. You are asking CCP to fix your mistake for you, and that's wrong.

Quote:

I bet you anything they already intend to fix this issue, I just needed to have my voice be heard because it's such an irresponsible thing to allow, much like plex being destroyable (bought with IRL) is no longer destroyable, why? because they are bringing in tens of thousands of new players and they know crap like that is not acceptable in today's market.

Eve online is old and it may have legacy players hanging around, but odds are after this revival there are going to be far more new players then old and things will have to change to be less "hardcore" and well to be honest bullshit.


I can't facepalm enough at the above written crap.
Zanar Skwigelf
Wormhoppers Inc.
#9 - 2017-05-22 18:23:39 UTC
Khara Hirl wrote:
eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt


Answered your own question
Wanda Fayne
#10 - 2017-05-22 18:26:24 UTC
TBH it is a bogus feature.

It erodes confidence in private stations as a viable alternative to npc stations. It is also counter-intuitive to have a player check his/her ability to dock at a citadel, accept a contract and then be summarily screwed by the owner and default on the contract.

It gives the honest scammers a bad nameBlink

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2017-05-22 18:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Citadels are player owned structures, if the owner decides to revoke permission for others to use the facilities at any time they're entirely within their rights to do so; they do own the damn thing after all.

It's not a new phenomena either, people who own outposts have been able to revoke permission to use the facilities for years.

Stop yer bitchin' and deal with it.

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Wanda Fayne
#12 - 2017-05-22 18:32:27 UTC
Just add a 'dropbox'. Solved.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#13 - 2017-05-22 18:33:40 UTC
Wanda Fayne wrote:

It erodes confidence in private stations as a viable alternative to npc stations.


Personally, I'm all for this.

My high sec builders use NPC stations. They put up between four and six hundred public couriers a year. So the more likely that people aren't going to accept to citadels, the more likely I'll get my stuff in a timely manner at a reasonable price.

Yeah, I know. Purely selfish reason, but it is what it is.

Mr Epeen Cool
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#14 - 2017-05-22 18:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I have to agree on the PLEX part. CCP delivered a half baked patch, full of bugs and lacking essential features. Its like an Incarna of PLEX changes.


Go shoot monument and stop buying PLEX from them.
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
#15 - 2017-05-22 18:41:43 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Khara Hirl wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts.

It's self correcting.

No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped.

Mr Epeen Cool



No no, see what you're not getting isn't that I can't pay attention to contracts, my point is that a mechanic is in place that lets people REJECT your entry even after you have a courier contract going to that citadel, this can be fixed by allowing deliveries outside the citadel.
Okay. Got it.

Same solution, though. Don't accept contracts to citadels.

Mr Epeen Cool


Well... to be honest I think citadel owners who do want to create legitimate contracts to their citadels would like this fix as well as the haulers.

You are correct that not taking those contracts does fix the problem for the hauler... but having to schlep stuff from a NPC station to a citadel isn't exactly convenient for the person requesting a delivery either (if they are legit).

Having a box outside a citadel to drop deliveries in seems like a fix that is similar enough to existing mechanics in the game that it could be easily achieved. Doesn't mean you can't still gank the person delivering the item that you requested... but it at least gives the hauler a shot at delivery and makes it into a contest.
Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E.
#16 - 2017-05-22 18:45:46 UTC
I actually like the idea of being able to have courier contracts completed without docking. It means I can have stuff delivered to me without having to worry that in doing so I would be letting an enemy dock in my station.
Brigadine Ferathine
506 Irregulars
#17 - 2017-05-22 19:04:40 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts.

It's self correcting.

No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped.

Mr Epeen Cool

Problem is when all the stations are gone there will not be an overly good way around this.
Shawn en Tilavine
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2017-05-22 19:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Shawn en Tilavine
BREAKING NEWS: CCP makes the game; players make the rules. Whatever rule CCP chooses to impose, good players will find ways to exploit it to their benefit. Nothing new here. Works as intended.

The three most critical attributes required of this game are:

1. Attitude
2. Effort
3. Intelligence.

Failing any of these, the Newbro is on a path of certain futility and frustration.

The OP has had the benefit of many people sharing the obvious errors in his/her decision making, their clear lack of understanding of the fundamental game mechanics as regards contracts and Citadels, their failure to learn from their mistakes and, probably most disturbing, the unwillingness to accept responsibility for one's own choices. And yet, the OP's intransigence only grows more fierce and persistent.

The tools are available in game to avoid being scammed. One only need avail themselves of them to avoid being taken advantage of. That you have failed to grasp that concept is on you, and only you.

This game was succeeding long before you showed up and will continue to thrive long after you're gone.
Good Luck!

Respectfully Submitted

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2017-05-22 19:32:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Khara Hirl wrote:
The ability for someone to lock you out of a plex/citadel after accepting a courier contract, in my opinion is absolutely abuse of a game mechanic.

To me this is straight up mechanical abuse and the fact that CCP lets this type of activity go on, is absolutely disparaging to new players and disgusting to old players. This is NOT how to run a game, just because scamming is allowed doesnt mean you allow/design game mechanics to specifically allow scamming.

I have a solution and it's very very simple, allow couriers to right click their package with in 2500m of the citadel/plex and select deliver.

Why would CCP continue to allow this type of abuse, aren't you wanting new players to come into your game and stay? This isn't part of the whole "eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt" Take this lesson to heart because you nearly killed your game by not listening to the silent majority but listening to the vocal minority when it comes to crap like this.


FIX DELIVERING TO PLEX/CITADELS IMMEDIATELY!



CCP please fix a problem i could fix for myself with a simple adjustment of personal policy (ie don't do couriers from Citadels/player owned structures period, then they can't lock you out).

Citadel owners will thank you A LOT when all of players will follow your advice "ignore citadels" Cool

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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#20 - 2017-05-22 19:32:49 UTC
Why would CCP change it? It was the same way for Null Stations and Outpost, why wouldn't Citadels be the same way? If you look at the contact destination it says "Destination may not be accessible." or some such thing.

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