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First, as I've shown you and you fail to find any counter-argument: Moon mining is not passive. I know you wish you could prove me wrong, because it is the base of all your following arguments, but no you can't. "Passive" would mean that you don't have to do anything or so little that it barely counts - which is not the case with moon mining. You have to source fuel, fuel your POS, haul fuel and goo to some market and sell that ****. You have to spend real and active time to get ISK out of that.

Second, you seem to not like my 200M example. Let me explain: R16 moons are far more common than some R64 moons which are anyway mostly un-attainable for 99% of EVE population. So, IF you are only happy speaking about R64 moons, you would not need to criticize the alleged "passive" nature of it, but because the it is far too easy to sit on it for too much of an income compared to other activities.

Simply forcing people to launch a mining fleet will not change a bit of that imbalance. It will only lead to Goonswarm Federation having a bit more income than some Lowsec Entities who naturally don't have a full mining outfit. Because: no mining upgrades possible, no Supers or Titans can be build in Lowsec, etcpp. So yeah, I get it, you are advocating for your very own interest, by pretending that you actually don't give a **** or that it would be good for EVE or even everyone.

How about this: Make Moon Mining Lowsec only. This would make Lowsec great again.
(and a real good reason for mining fleets in lowsec)

OK, so maybe this is just tears, but I've been trying to find an articulate way of making my point and so far failing

Passive, or semi-passive income is important to the game.

That's why you buy learning implants, why you plex alts, why you work your way up the political ranks....

So, one day you can earn decent isk with less effort because you've put in the legwork and you can stop ratting, mining, or scanning 6-7 hours a day to out-compete your peers and hostile neighbors. You now have time for organizational work, leadership activities, recruitment, and player development.

Otherwise, what is the difference between say ratting in a bc for 9m ticks and a carrier for 50m isk ticks? To replace the occasional loss, given the price difference, there you are still ratting 7 hours a day... or mining... or mining moonstuffs.

In different ways, moon mining (more passive) and running reaction POS's (kinda, sorta, not really passive) are just about the only way to scale up operations to your isk and time limits that can be done with JUST YOUR MAIN account.

Sure, u need cyno and trade alts, and some pi, or a good logistics structure, but you don't need to log into one alt, start your ten reactions, log out.. log into another alt, etc, etc. etc.

Your risk/reward is physical, sitting in space, vulnerable to destruction, and a PITA to move, so you'll twist nuts to keep your sov.

Conversely, with what is proposed, reacting will be a skill requiring a fraction of the infrastructure investment (one cit) with a limited number able to be run be one toon. So now you have to (like PI, T2 indy, multiblox mining) invest in characters to station spin and run reaction jobs

(or you have to invest in cheap miners alts to efficiently harvest your goo)

For reacting in particular, now your investment is hardly in space or vulnerable at all. It's all toons parked in cits w full assett safety. For moon mining, I'd suspect docking rights will be give to neutral npc corp alts that are granted docking rights. Undock, semi afk crush the field, redock, log out for a week. Who care if they die, they're in retrievers w no kb issues.

In either case, this is what I see. An effective end to the last scalable, profitable activity that doesn't require one plex a month per alt to scale up.

At least with plex available in much smaller chunks, you might be able to just activate your mining alts for a few days at a time to mop up big goo piles, just seems SOOO tedious and unnecessary.

So when you warp away or log off for the night, the moon harvester turns off? Income generation halts?

Something I haven't seen addressed.
Low sec alliances & defending their moon goo.
While they certainly can shoot first, this will result in security status hits in low security space.

As a result (& for smoothing the road if any moon mining even if really inefficient in high sec) I propose that the field have an 'access list' and if you are not on that access list you get a suspect timer. This won't stop any ninja mining since someone still has to be there to shoot them anyway, but it means an alliance defending their refineries moon pull doesn't take sec status hits for doing so.

Can't wait for people whining about mining CTA tho. We know it will happen in some corp/alliance.

The rocks don't belong to their corp. You can't own a rock....man.

eve should be more haotic not less
it is because of the bunch of people wanting to control every aspect of this game - this game actualy sucks because they succed in thair plans completly. It must end or this game is dead, only a toy in hands of few very mighty people.

Fine by me; we have a workaround for no standings.

Why do you think CCP added the ability to set folks blue in the first place?

Nope.

https://eveinfo.net/wiki/index~25.htm

You can use a portrait pack to differentiate between hostiles and friendlies. Groups with a portrait pack have a distinct advantage over those without, so CCP added standings to even the playing field.

Link your freighter lossmail.