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Can we get rid of CSM after the recent PLEX insider trading fiasco?

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Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#161 - 2017-03-19 02:50:48 UTC
Normal players always get rid of CSM which is always under the charge of nullsec alliances.
Who will ever think CSM can represent most players?
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#162 - 2017-03-19 03:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Nate Hill wrote:
Normal players always get rid of CSM which is always under the charge of nullsec alliances.
Who will ever think CSM can represent most players?

It doesn't matter who it is 'under the charge' of.

The CSM doesn't make any decisions. They give feedback on CCP ideas.

So even if the majority of CSM members are nullsec, when changes are proposed to things like industry, etc. those members feedback isn't as valuable as members like Steve Ronuken, Mike Azariah, etc. (or even some of the nullsec members that have knowledge of those areas).

But, as usual, Carebears will whine.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#163 - 2017-03-19 04:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nate Hill
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
Normal players always get rid of CSM which is always under the charge of nullsec alliances.
Who will ever think CSM can represent most players?

It doesn't matter who it is 'under the charge' of.

The CSM doesn't make any decisions. They give feedback on CCP ideas.

So even if the majority of CSM members are nullsec, when changes are proposed to things like industry, etc. those members feedback isn't as valuable as members like Steve Ronuken, Mike Azariah, etc. (or even some of the nullsec members that have knowledge of those areas).

But, as usual, Carebears will whine.


It does matter. Feedback without highsec PVE is leading EVE to death.
No interesting highsec PVE contents can attract new players now.

PVP can attract less newbies than PVE does due to its complexity.
EVE doesn't give new players enough time to prepare.
It's already over before newbies enjoy.

CCP should add more highsec PVE to make new players stay enough time.
CCP should send questionnaires to all newbies who quited EVE to check.

CSM did neglect part of players and despised them just like you.

Carebears pay the same.
I don't think playing different game contents will make ones decent, nobile or degrading.

EVE is old but still has potential.
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#164 - 2017-03-19 04:14:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nate Hill
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Salvos Rhoska
#165 - 2017-03-19 06:43:28 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
But, as usual, Carebears will whine.


You mean Nullbears.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#166 - 2017-03-19 08:45:02 UTC
Nate Hill wrote:
It does matter. Feedback without highsec PVE is leading EVE to death.
No interesting highsec PVE contents can attract new players now.

Then Highsec dwellers should get off their bloody asses and vote! How hard can it be to outnumber a couple thousand nullsec voters?
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#167 - 2017-03-19 08:48:42 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
But, as usual, Carebears will whine.


You mean Nullbears.

Yet again, your intelligence falls short. Nullbears are carebears. It's right in the name.

I said the same to you before. Maybe this time you'll comprehend.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Big Lynx
#168 - 2017-03-19 10:41:28 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
It's funny how some people are already starting a lynch mob. It's certainly possible that one or more CSM members have relayed some insider info they shouldn't have, but it's also quite possible they haven't. So far we do not know if any insider trading has happened or if the CSM was involved, so I suggest to not talk of a "insider trading fiasco" and lynch the CSM just yet. We should let IA figure this out first before we jump to conclusions and randomly blame people without any solid information on the matter.


I really like this post. However, it has no place in eve discussions. Too mature, too factual, too much common sense of real-life. You are out! shame on you. Reported!Twisted
Salvos Rhoska
#169 - 2017-03-19 10:47:31 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
But, as usual, Carebears will whine.


You mean Nullbears.

Yet again, your intelligence falls short. Nullbears are carebears. It's right in the name.

I said the same to you before. Maybe this time you'll comprehend.


Its pretty clear from the contexts you habitually use it, that you actually mean HS based carebears.

Ive never seen you even once use it in context of nullbears.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#170 - 2017-03-19 10:53:35 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
But, as usual, Carebears will whine.


You mean Nullbears.

Yet again, your intelligence falls short. Nullbears are carebears. It's right in the name.

I said the same to you before. Maybe this time you'll comprehend.


Its pretty clear from the contexts you habitually use it, that you actually mean HS based carebears.

Ive never seen you even once use it in context of nullbears.

Nullbears are carebears. No different. Being a carebear isn't based on where a person plays, it's based on how how they think. There are carebears in all security areas of space and non-carebears in them all as well.

So once again for the dummy (that's you Salvos), a nullbear is every bit just as much of a carebear as anyone else. There's no need to refer to them differently.

Maybe the third time, you comprehend.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Salvos Rhoska
#171 - 2017-03-19 11:04:35 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
But, as usual, Carebears will whine.


You mean Nullbears.

Yet again, your intelligence falls short. Nullbears are carebears. It's right in the name.

I said the same to you before. Maybe this time you'll comprehend.


Its pretty clear from the contexts you habitually use it, that you actually mean HS based carebears.

Ive never seen you even once use it in context of nullbears.

Nullbears are carebears. No different. Being a carebear isn't based on where a person plays, it's based on how how they think. There are carebears in all security areas of space and non-carebears in them all as well.

So once again for the dummy (that's you Salvos), a nullbear is every bit just as much of a carebear as anyone else. There's no need to refer to them differently.

Maybe the third time, you comprehend.


And yet you only ever show up to use it in a HS context.

Show me some posts where you have addressed Nullbear interests using this term?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mister Holder
Faceless Men
#172 - 2017-03-19 11:41:33 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
Normal players always get rid of CSM which is always under the charge of nullsec alliances.
Who will ever think CSM can represent most players?

It doesn't matter who it is 'under the charge' of.

The CSM doesn't make any decisions. They give feedback on CCP ideas.

So even if the majority of CSM members are nullsec, when changes are proposed to things like industry, etc. those members feedback isn't as valuable as members like Steve Ronuken, Mike Azariah, etc. (or even some of the nullsec members that have knowledge of those areas).

But, as usual, Carebears will whine.



From my experience it is mostly the Nullsec dwellers who rush to the forums in troves after being instructed to do so by their leaders when things don't go their way.


Keep drinking that Koolaide.
Salvos Rhoska
#173 - 2017-03-19 11:45:11 UTC
Mister Holder wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
Normal players always get rid of CSM which is always under the charge of nullsec alliances.
Who will ever think CSM can represent most players?

It doesn't matter who it is 'under the charge' of.

The CSM doesn't make any decisions. They give feedback on CCP ideas.

So even if the majority of CSM members are nullsec, when changes are proposed to things like industry, etc. those members feedback isn't as valuable as members like Steve Ronuken, Mike Azariah, etc. (or even some of the nullsec members that have knowledge of those areas).

But, as usual, Carebears will whine.



From my experience it is mostly the Nullsec dwellers who rush to the forums in troves after being instructed to do so by their leaders when things don't go their way.


Keep drinking that Koolaide.


I agree entirely, which demonstrates the Shae alts function on this forum.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#174 - 2017-03-19 11:48:01 UTC
Mister Holder wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
Normal players always get rid of CSM which is always under the charge of nullsec alliances.
Who will ever think CSM can represent most players?

It doesn't matter who it is 'under the charge' of.

The CSM doesn't make any decisions. They give feedback on CCP ideas.

So even if the majority of CSM members are nullsec, when changes are proposed to things like industry, etc. those members feedback isn't as valuable as members like Steve Ronuken, Mike Azariah, etc. (or even some of the nullsec members that have knowledge of those areas).

But, as usual, Carebears will whine.



From my experience it is mostly the Nullsec dwellers who rush to the forums in troves after being instructed to do so by their leaders when things don't go their way.


Keep drinking that Koolaide.

And? What does that have to do with the CSM?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Jacques d'Orleans
#175 - 2017-03-19 11:53:18 UTC
This thread easily wins the prize for the best turd sandwich in March 2017.

Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
Salvos Rhoska
#176 - 2017-03-19 11:57:04 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
And? What does that have to do with the CSM?

I think the CSM and Nullbear connection has been demonstrated quite a few times.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#177 - 2017-03-19 12:07:45 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
And? What does that have to do with the CSM?

I think the CSM and Nullbear connection has been demonstrated quite a few times.

Which also has absolutely zero relationship to what Mister Holder wrote.

Nullbears running to the forum is irrelevant in terms of the CSM.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Salvos Rhoska
#178 - 2017-03-19 12:09:34 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
And? What does that have to do with the CSM?

I think the CSM and Nullbear connection has been demonstrated quite a few times.

Which also has absolutely zero relationship to what Mister Holder wrote.

Nullbears running to the forum is irrelevant in terms of the CSM.


Its relevant interms of your function and posting on this forum, and on what you choose to do so, and how.

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Vigirr
#179 - 2017-03-19 12:15:57 UTC
Most nullseccers are carebears
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CSM has many null sec members
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CSM caters to nullbears
Akane Togenada
Doomheim
#180 - 2017-03-19 12:22:30 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Nate Hill wrote:
It does matter. Feedback without highsec PVE is leading EVE to death.
No interesting highsec PVE contents can attract new players now.

Then Highsec dwellers should get off their bloody asses and vote! How hard can it be to outnumber a couple thousand nullsec voters?


Although this is correct it doesn´t help them to vote unless they also get their people into the CSM. Otherwise it's just as in some real-life elections where you get to choose between a giant douche or a turd sandwich.